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Trump administration clears game changer deal for sale of 22 Guardian drones to India

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  1. lca-fan

    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Ahead of PM Narendra Modi visit, Trump administration clears game changer deal for sale of 22 Guardian drones to India
    The US has cleared the sale of 22 unmanned Guardian drones to India, governmental sources said today, a deal being termed as a "game changaer" ahead of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit here for his maiden meeting with President Donald Trump.
    By: PTI | Washington | Updated: June 22, 2017 10:47 PM

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    The sources, who requested anonymity as the deal has not been formally announced, said the sale of 22 predator drones being manufactured by General Atomics is “a game changer” for US-India relations as it operationalises the status of “major defence partner”. (Reuters)

    The US has cleared the sale of 22 unmanned Guardian drones to India, governmental sources said today, a deal being termed as a “game changaer” ahead of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit here for his maiden meeting with President Donald Trump. The deal, estimated to be worth USD two to three billion, has been approved by the State Department, the sources said. The decision has been communicated to the Indian government and the manufacturer by the State Department yesterday, according to the informed governmental sources. “This is the first very significant sign of the Trump administration being more result oriented in its relationship with India compared to Obama administration,” a source told PTI.

    The sources, who requested anonymity as the deal has not been formally announced, said the sale of 22 predator drones being manufactured by General Atomics is “a game changer” for US-India relations as it operationalises the status of “major defence partner”. The designation of India being a “major defence partner” was decided by the previous Obama Administration, and formally approved by the Congress. The State Department and the White House did not immediately respond to the questions in this regard. An official announcement is expected soon. Modi’s first meeting with Trump has been scheduled to take place at the White House on June 26. The Indian Navy had made the request for this intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) platform last year.

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    US Aerospace expert Dr Vivek Lall of General Atomics who was pivotal in India acquiring Boeing P8 ISR technology, is believed to have played a key role in fast tracking the decision-making process of the Trump administration.
    http://www.financialexpress.com/ind...r-sale-of-22-guardian-drones-to-india/731453/
     
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  2. Anish

    Anish BANNED BANNED

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    Thanks Dr. Lall.

    Looking forward to Lockheed Martin making its way to India
     
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  3. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Excellent. A very good start to DTTI. I'm glad this is what they meant by "it flies."
     
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    These are unarmed version for navy ISR missions, a good companion for P8I.

    Looks like US is still not ready to sell armed Reaper UAVs to IAF.
     
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  5. turkish

    turkish Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Are they armed ones? I guess if Pakistani sees Indian Predator drones in their sky it wont surprise them. I believe they have been seeing Predator drones in their sky for almost a decade now.
     
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    2-3 Billion $ for 22 UAV drones isn't it too much? if it doesn't involve TOT. When our own drone programme is running well. This money could be diverted to LCA tejas project to boost it further.
     
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  7. randomradio

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    The support and training infrastructure for drones is quite large. And since it is FMS, the cost will be much higher, at least 40-50% higher, but we will also get 30% offsets. The actual drones themselves are cheap.

    The French bought 16 MQ-9s for $1.5B. Guardians are much more expensive because they carry more surveillance equipment.

    Our drone program will take some more time before it is successful. And LCA is already well funded.
     
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    IAF wants the Avenger, not the Reaper.
     
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    sunstersun Lieutenant IDF NewBie

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    Trump has continued Obama's work when it comes to warming ties between India and USA. H1B visa aside. But that's not really something that should matter.
     
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    Only the USA, UK and Italy have them. They're not ready to sell them to anyone that's not a long time member of NATO.
     
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  11. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    I fully agree, obviously India needs to fund imported equipment and domestic projects at the same time but these sort of deals really are quite painful when one considers that the entire LCA and Kaveri projects thus far have just barely been given about this ammount and "all" India gets in return is 22 UAVs whilst the LCA+Kaveri have literally created an entire aerospace industry in India and laid the foundations for great things in the future.

    It's very hard to justify these almost frivilous deals when domestic projects are so under-appreciated.
    Except no TOT of any kind will take place and not one element of the order will be made in India, DTTI stands for Defense Technology and Trade Initiative and is meant to "a mechanism for defence cooperation, it has to focus on advanced technologies", where is the technology for India, where is the cooperation? This is a purely off the shelf deal with no industrial benefit at all for India, so much for "Make in India", what kind of offsets are even proposed? AFAIK the Guardian deal has NOTHING to do with DTTI, DTTI's focus is on very very tiny projects like combat uniforms, micro-UAVs (Raven), RO-RO systems for C-130 etc, that's how interested US is working with India.

    MQ-4C would have been a FAR better option, P-8 is literally made to work alongside the Triton.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Really don't see the need/point in this deal when India is already getting the Heron-TP from Israel and the IN has 2 SQNs of Herons/Searchers, do the benefits of inducting a totally new and different platform outweigh the considerable costs? I'd say it's doubtful.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    We are likely to get the European Certified version then, if its for 3 billion USD. It has more stringent safety requirements. Plus longer wings , and 7 hours of more endurance.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Still don't see what the need is for this over and above more Herons?

    Does India need to have a bloody circus in every catergory (fighters, subs, frigates etc)? Uniformity and fleet harmonisation are taboo?
     
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