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Trump administration clears game changer deal for sale of 22 Guardian drones to India

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by lca-fan, Jun 22, 2017.

  1. Wolfpack

    Wolfpack Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    If we can rope in youngsters and fund them,give them huge incentives for invention,we can come up with state of the art drones, Private Defence industry is zilch in our country, Yesterday saw news of a Chennai kid who made a smallest, micro satellite sent to space. Talent like that needs to be nurtured from young age.
     
  2. Bregs

    Bregs Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    In relations with US we have come a bit early into a stage where the pak will continue to be non nato major ally and at the same time they will continue to rake in indian taxpayers money by selling to weapons to us( This alone is change in there policy in last 15 yrs). Laden was killed in 2011 in pak garrison city and they did not dump pakistan till now and they wont ever. India has surely reached a stage of tightrope walk in foreign policy. Media as usual continue to go ga ga over such news where US is making money
     
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  3. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    The cost of Boeing 737-800 model is 72 million USD approx.

    The cost of Boeing P8I is near 290 million USD.

    So it really does not matter what the cost of 1 Reaper is.

    What matters is what is the cost of Maritime Predator B Guardian 2016 model update.

    Further points to be noted, unlike Heron TP , these Guardian Drones will not work on the present infrastructure[Like Satellites........] , and we will also buy that service from USA.
     
  4. Wolfpack

    Wolfpack Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Yesterday Arnab Goswami of Republic Tv Blasted western media and exposed their agenda of maligning India,When they want a trade deal,they talk and flatter you with words like,Biggest Democracy,Secular etc.
    When they don't get a deal or if deal is done,the media goes back to usual India bashing. This game is too well known to people now.
     
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  5. Wolfpack

    Wolfpack Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    In buying such service,aren't we compromising ourselves with kill switches, proxy monitoring of our drones by USA through back channels in their mainframe and source code,which we might not know exist?
     
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  6. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    The other 2 options are.

    1. Sign BECA like deals with USA and hand over encryption of our Satellites, our communication networks to USA.

    2. Stop buying anything American.

    And yes, you are correct that there exists a possibility.

    But the system comes with a additional package , which if opted [of course means additional money , which I think is included in the figure here .] binds the US OEM to provide 80-90% readiness rate for all of 40,000 flying hours a airframe has.
     
  7. SrNair

    SrNair Captain FULL MEMBER

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    You need billions of dollars .Daimler spends 13 billion$ for their Volkswagen Car R&D only .
    And DRDO spends 1.5billion $ for all Weapons Research and Development.
    Thats is the difference .No matter how much HR you have ,you need money ,hard cash .So scarce in our nation.
     
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  8. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    The difference between the richest university [By richest i mean funds available for R&D] in US or UK and India is no less than 100 times.
     
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  9. SrNair

    SrNair Captain FULL MEMBER

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    People blames DRDO unnnecessarily .Of Course they have some chalta hai attitude .But that doesnt mean they are incapable.
    Look at their BM project ,majority are success .Because their majority fund and talent goes to there .

    Even IIT are not that good when it comes to R&D.
    Had we were able to pump billions for them then situation would have been very different.
     
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    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Honestly !!! u need to read what you post... just sad that you look at figures and do some simple maths and bingo .... got the Magic figure of 13M$.

    If you bother to read the Pentagon Report attached to this Article, here are some tit bits

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    The Report is simply questioning the need for Total order of 401 Nos. by Air Combat Command and incremental the cost for each system and Why there is an excess of 46 Frames - AND HOW they better divert the funds for these 46 else where .

    So IN THE END you are comparing the Cost for 22 Nos. VS 401 Nos...... Now i find that Funny!!!! :coffee:
     
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  11. Dagger

    Dagger 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Ah. My bad man. I read that paragraph out of context and understood it all wrong.
    I will remove the misinformation.
     
  12. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    This is what I have said, all of the data and "secure" comns will have to go via US and India would likely have to fly their Guardians out of a USAF base in Las Vegas just like the French and UK.

    For a nation that isn't part of NATO and doesn't even want to be an "ally" of the US, this can't be considered acceptable.
     
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  13. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Then India is putting the cart before the horse, throwing $2-3 BILLION at the US for ZERO industrial benefits is beyond laughable, if Modi is willing to pursue this India is in trouble.

    At least follow the Rafale example- sign for a limited deal, see how the foreign side apply their industrial benefits and then offer a larger deal down the road.....

    The list of things that would have a FAR greater utility to the military/nation for the money is immense (another SQN of Rafales (made in India), 3-4 SQNs of LCAs, a SQ N of C-17s, 100+ C-295Ws (made in India) 2 SQNs of C-130J-30s, 400+ M777s (made in India), 300+ K9s(made in India), re-equipping the ENTIRE Indian SOF community with world class equipment, 12 more P-8Is, 60+ S-70B NMRH (made in India), 100++ NUH (made in India), 3-4 more P-17A (made in India), 4 LHD/LPDs (made in India), 6 more P-75s with AIP (made in India) etc etc the list is literally endless).


    But instead "just" 22 (unarmed) maritime drones and not one made in India with no industrial benefits whatsoever? This doesn't feel right at all especially when you compare it to the allocations for domestic R&D projects (measly). The cost benefit analysis jsut doesn't add up.


    Anyway, @Gessler @PARIKRAMA @Hellfire @Sancho @Ankit Kumar 001 @Agent_47 @randomradio I feel that we are getting a bit ahead of ourselves, I think this is just an approval that these systems can be sold to India but it is far from an actual deal, just like the US cleared the E-2D to be sold to India almsot a decade ago now but still no actual contract...
     
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  14. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    At least the high costs would be justified for the Triton given the performance it brings and I don't know where you get the 5X figure from bro, the stated cost for the MQ-4C is maybe 50% more than the expected flyaway cost for the Guardians the IN is asking for.
     
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  15. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Pure speculation bro and shelling out billions to the US to develop tech when starving domsestic R&D programs for similar products is a self-defeating policy.
     

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