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Trump administration clears game changer deal for sale of 22 Guardian drones to India

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by lca-fan, Jun 22, 2017.

  1. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The UAVs are force multipliers. Can't compare it to everything else you have mentioned.

    And we will get offsets.
     
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  2. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    And once India has paid billions to create such infrastructure and is happy with the Guardians won't this act as a disincentive to pursue/fund the Rustom-2/TAPAS and commit to procuring them and duplicating the training/infrastructure costs but this time for a domestic product?
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Much of what I have listed are force multipliers also bro.

    The US has a pretty poor record of fulfilling its offset obligations and certainly doesn't offer much on the industrial side.
     
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  4. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Those are not force multipliers. Tankers, Awacs, satellites etc are force multipliers.

    UAVs are definitely force multipliers. None of the stuff you mentioned can stay up in the air for 24 hours.

    We have to see what's being offered. Offsets have been streamlined, now we expect only useful stuff. Like the stuff with the Rafale deal.
     
  5. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    The entire AWACS (India) development budget is around $1 billion

    The Rafale deal is now the benchmark and all deals that follow should meet or exceed it and can we honestly say the US is going to get anywhere close? They do not work with countries, they will not offer anything of any value to India, certainly not relevent cutting edge tech.
     
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  6. mugundhan

    mugundhan FULL MEMBER

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    @Abingdonboy
    First of all, No one knows what is included in proposed 2.2 billion package

    We need to pay usa for nuke deal, mtcr,intelligence shared by them
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Yes till now just an approval , and that too not official. Its based on "sources".
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Do you see Rustom 2 entering service any soon?
    I have even less belief on our UAV programs than OFB and their Rifle story.
     
  9. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Guardians costs will be significantly less compared to hawk. I think it will be below $50 million. But Global hawk will cost $220 million+ at any day. (For euro hawk German budget was €1.2 billion for 5).

    For a navy like India guardians are optimal. Can fly 45,000ft and stay there 40 hours. Possibility even deploy sonobuoys .
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Rustom 2 and MQ-9 are not comparable.

    Rustoms will replace all searcher and heron UAVs (150+).
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Development budgets are always smaller than procurement budget.

    Drones require a lot of ground support, the aircraft themselves are cheap. That's why the high cost.
     
  12. ASHOKSINH GOHIL

    ASHOKSINH GOHIL FULL MEMBER

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    we buy 22 Guardian drones for $ 2 Billons i.e 13,000 crores in Indian rupee at 590 cr. per drones.
    and 36 Rafale deal was made at 59,000 crores in Indian Rupee at 1638 cr per planes.

    this deal is a solily transfer of plane and drone, not technology.

    where, we can develop fighter planes like Tejas at ₹7,399.69 crore and unit cost ₹602.71 crore.
    and can developed rustom-2 at the low cost of 1300 crore.


    why India buy such Drones and fighters planes at such a huge cost? why we not develop yourself and spend this amount on research and development?
    if we did research and developed such fighter planes then we can make as we want, also technology is also our?

    can we not have the ability to developed drone such we buy from other nation?
     
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    sunstersun Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    So you would be confident going into a war with Pakistan and China only flying Tejas right?
     
  14. ASHOKSINH GOHIL

    ASHOKSINH GOHIL FULL MEMBER

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    No, i not said that we confident...only flying tejas. i want to said that we can develop planes like tejas at far lower cost then why we are not put this money [$ 2 Billons +€7.87 billion] to development and research of such type of planes? so we can build our own planes at very low cost...

    i am sure if we put this money in own research and development than we can build our own advanced plane and drone...like we did with isro...not to rely on other nation.

    and there is what guaranty that USA does not install such program and device that without there permission we cannot assess plane i.e we cannot use such weapon against them....example if we fight against them (USA) or China, if usa send such command to drone to shut down etc.
     
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  15. Agent_47

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    This comparison happens on every deal announcement. Actual value of the deal is still unknown. It would have to reach CCS to have a clear idea of the numbers. Also, Services like navy is not stupid. Their budget resources are limited and they are trying their level best to utilise to it's efficiently. They are subject to scrutiny by MoF and CAG.

    Actual requirement here is for HALE like Global hawk but we are limiting ourselves to a inferior platform because of this budget constraints.

    For example, MEA and Japan proposed US-2 SAR planes for around $1-2 billion. Navy said it's not an immediate requirement and delayed the process as of now.

    Also development timelines are long. For AWACS it will take 7 years and 2-3 more for maturity and deployment.

    @Abingdonboy
     

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