TU-160 Black jack VS Rockwell B-1B Lancer Vs B-2 spirit vs B-52

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  1. Damien
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  2. Marqueur
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    nice plane ... i like the black one ...
  3. Skull and Bones
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    B-1 is a pure legend, if there'a nuclear war, expect this beast coming your way.
  4. arulcharles
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    My vote is always for Tu 160, Russia is modifying it with latest technology , more over B-2 may be stealth but can not used in lower altitude .If it is deployed in higher altitude it would be danger for civilian too, which we already witnessed in afghan war
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    B-2 is a legend and an ideal plane for a bomber, but considering the cost. that in buying 5 B-2s we might get abt 100 MMRCAs :D
    So we have to ask is the cost worth it? But yes, without a doubt its an excellent plane.
    Between B-1 Lancer and Tu-160 I might go for B-1 as its proven plane, On other hand Tu-160 does not have the operational experience of B-1
    I shall go for B-2 B-1 and then Tu-160 :)
  6. Damien
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    well i wil put my money on the black jack tu-160 , it will domore carnage than the lancer ..
  7. smestarz
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    Technologically, B-1 is superior to Tu-160. But knowing the Americans. they would not give the entire hi tech to foreign user, always give a watered down system which is good.
    But then considering the cost vs usefulness and technology, Tu-160 has a better value for us,
    But if USA gives B-1 in its original form, that might be better than Tu-160, but do we really need a bomber, and that to that expensive?

    Bombers are not what we want, but if we are able to make it into super heavy AWACS + Long range A2A missile carrier, maybe its different ball game
  8. Manmohan Yadav
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    While similar in appearance to the American B-1 Lancer,
    the Tu-160 is an entirely different class of combat aircraft,
    its primary role being a standoff missile platform (strategic missile carrier).

    The Tu-160 is also larger and faster than the B-1B and has a slightly greater combat range,
    though the B-1B has a larger combined payload and more modern avionics.

    Another significant difference is that the colour scheme on the B-1B Lancer is usually radar-absorbent Black,
    the Tu-160 is painted with anti-flash white, giving it the nick-name among Russian airmen "White Swan".

    I would go for Tu-160, cheaper than US models, as long as it gets the work done.
    I would prefer a strategic missile carrier than a Bomber.
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  10. arulcharles
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    We always make a mistake in this point only EXPERIENCE
    So that only we always go for old,older and oldest Product
    More over Tu 160 is much advanced then B -1,

    MODERNISATION
    In 2006, the Russian Air Force was expected to receive five modernised and one new-built Tu-160. The Russian Air Force will receive a further five modernized Tu-160s each year, which means that modernization of the fleet could be achieved within three years if the schedule is kept up.

    Changes announced include completely digital, multireserved, neutron and other nuclear emissions resistant avionics; full support of cruising and steering through GLONASS global satellite positioning system; and updated version of NK-32 engines with increased reliability. Weapon upgrades will allow the use of new nuclear/non-nuclear GLONASS-navigated cruise missiles (Kh-55),and drop laser-guided bombs. Planned upgrades are also to add the ability to handle missiles that launch military or civil satellites;and addition of advanced radar emissions absorbing coatings.

    SOURCE Tupolev Tu-160 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  11. Damien
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    tu-160 willget technically better ,
    Changes announced include completely digital, multireserved, neutron and other nuclear emissions resistant avionics; full support of cruising and steering through GLONASS global satellite positioning system; and updated version of NK-32 engines with increased reliability.Weapon upgrades will allow the use of new nuclear/non-nuclear GLONASS-navigated cruise missiles (Kh-55), and drop laser-guided bombs. Planned upgrades are also to add the ability to handle missiles that launch military or civil satellites; and addition of advanced radar emissions absorbing coatings.
  12. flanker143
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    all of these are quite useless for india.....we dont have to fly thousands of kms to hit our potential enemies....i'd rather go for mrca's and stealth ucav/uav....
  13. smestarz
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    RE: TU-160
    How many actual combat sorties has it flown and how many strategic missiles had it fired?
    Tu-160 was designed as an answer to B-1, supersonic strategic bomber capable of carrying nuclear weapons,
    B-1 is also capable and designed to carry Stand off missiles,

    After the collapse of Soviet union, the wars that have been fought have been fought with non nuclear countries, and due to which there is definitely
    a) No need to threaten with use of nuclear weapon
    b) No need to even use A2G missiles as that would mean a big waste of money,
    The targets can be destroyed using cheaper iron bombs.

    The Americans have used B-1 to good effect and I quote wikipedia as follows

    Operationally, the B-1 was first used in combat in support of operations against Iraq, during Operation Desert Fox in December 1998, employing unguided GP weapons. B-1s have been subsequently used in Operation Allied Force (Kosovo) and, most notably, in Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan and the 2003 invasion of Iraq.[34] The B-1's role in Operation Allied Force has been criticized as the aircraft was not used until after enemy defenses had been suppressed by aircraft like the older B-52 it was intended to replace.[64] The B-1 has deployed an array of conventional weapons in war zones, most notably the GBU-31, 2,000 lb (900 kg) Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM).[34] JDAM munitions were heavily used by the B-1 over Iraq, notably on 7 April 2003 in an unsuccessful attempt to kill Saddam Hussein and his two sons.[109] At the height of the Iraq War, a B-1 was permanently airborne to provide rapid precision bombardment upon important targets as intelligence identified them.[110] During Operation Enduring Freedom, the B-1 was able to raise its mission capable rate to 79%

    Rockwell B-1 Lancer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There is no such combat history of Tu-160, it has done various tests and various records, BUT NEVER USED IN ACTION,

    I do agree that Tu-160 has value for money but, B-1 has seen action where as Tu-160 has not, and so based on the experience of B-1 pilots various upgrades have been put for B-1B
  14. smestarz
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    Considering that we can deploy only on North Western sector mainly, for using B-1/Tu-160 effectively we need to to suppress the enemy Air defence, and then only can the bombers such as these be effective. But considering the cost of using these planes they are luxury that we cannot afford. Why to carpet bomb a place if we can destroy the same with precision strike?
    Carpet bombing is a way of creating terror and to get target and not keeping in mind the collateral damage.
    Though they can be used to deploy A2G missiles for precision attack but same can be done by Su-30 and they can take care of themself after deploying the missiles as they have been designed to strike and escape.

    Frankly Rather than having B-1, I might go for a squadron of Su-34 Fullback, they are smaller, manoverable, fast, have good range and are multirole capable. They are what I might call Semi Tu-160.
  15. Manmohan Yadav
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    yes !!!!!!!!!

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