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Turkish referendum

Discussion in 'Greater Asia & Middle East' started by Scotlander, Apr 16, 2017.

  1. Scotlander

    Scotlander Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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  2. Scotlander

    Scotlander Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Rest In Peace to Atatürk Secularism & welcome to Erdoğan Islamisation.:angel:
     
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    More dictatorship than Islamisation but yes , secularism is going to be flushed out of the Turkish system .
     
  4. Dagger

    Dagger 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Interesting and interesting. Curious how he will approach the european countries now..
    Turkeys economy obviously needs the west.
     
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    IndiranChandiran Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Business will proceed as usual, for the time being .It's defence related issues that will take a hit including in the long term Turkeys NATO membership.That's where China steps in .Once military ties are on an even keel, economic ties will follow .

    The Turks have already internalised the step brotherly treatment at the hands of the EU.For all their protestations about being blind to religion , recent events have demonstrated clearly the unease of the EU with a particular religion of people making their way into Europe .Turkey's descent into dictatorship of sorts coupled with Erdogans AKP undermining M.K.Pasha's secularism won't help matters .

    As it is the US led western coalition is at odds with Turkish interests in the Levant , with respect to the Kurdish question .

    One can expect a drift into the Russo Chinese sphere of influence over the long term .The situation is still very fluid in Turkey , The ME , Russia and the EU , not to mention the US & China to make any firm predictions .But , by and large this seems to be the case as given above .
     
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  6. Lion of Rajputana

    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Those who followed Turkey saw this coming, Erdogan is slowly getting closer and closer to his goal of an Islamofascist dictatorship with all the power consolidated under him.

    They spat on Ataturk's modernization and secularism long ago, now they are completing their 180 degree pivot into an Islamic Caliphate. Good luck to them, they are now on the road to becoming another Pakistan.
     
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  7. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The problem is, we see similar nationalist and protectionist trends all over the world and when you see how Turkey went from an including, economically growing democracy to more or less a dictatorship, it's worrying.
     
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    T-123456 2nd Lieutant THINKER

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    We already said ''Rest in Peace'' 15 years ago.
    More dictatorship ,some Islamization(we are not Arabs).
    It will be hard for him to get rid of secularism.

    He will be good friends with the West again,the referendum is over and he won so,no more Evil Nazi Europe.
    Forget the economy part,the trade balance is negative,13% unemployment,to many short term loans,no production,not looking good.
    Those who can(financial) are leaving the country,those who cant are crying unless they belong to the AKP gang.
    Anything is possible but i dont think we will leave the Western camp.
    Im not worried anymore(dont care),the Turk has to suffer to wake up but when he wakes up,the dictator is finished.
    We warned them.
     
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    It is actually great that Turkey is becoming hardline Muslim country. The hardening of nationalist and Islamist sentiments in Europe and Asia minor is going to be beneficial for us in long run, if forces play out as I expect them to play out.
     
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    If Turkey breaks from NATO, and Russia-US relations become even half decent; there is a very high chance that Turkey would be invaded by Russia. Read WWI history.There is a reason why Turkey was so desperate to get into NATO, and if Germany was not getting ROFLstomped by the time Turkey could get its military ready, would have joined Axis in WWII.
     
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    Personally, I like the presidential system. It has a chance of producing leaders who don't owe as much to local leaders. Corruption reduces with the right person. Problem is personality cult can blow away any checks and balances.
    Its good that it was by a small margin. Will be responsible and a bit fearful.
    All the best to Turkey.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    As a human being, I am worried for the people in Turkey, but my point was more on the global phenomenon of blindly following nationalists and accepting even plain lies of politicians. As if the world haven't learned anything from Nazi Germany.

    There are plenty countries now, where people voted mainly to support a single person, because of wild promises and big speeches. And we even see similar attempts to reduce democratic right, checks and balances as we have seen under Hitler. Rewriting historical books, censoring media or access to information, feeding even children with specific informations that suits the purpose or ideology of a leading political party...

    We have seen it all, but it still happens today and that is worring!
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Corruption won't be reduced, just focused on 1 major player instead of several politicians. The one on the top will benefit the most and will give some of the money down to his supports, be it in a dictatorship or this presidential system.
     
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    The part that irks me most is the minister being appointed from the elected mla. The person is in theory a figurehead with 0 knowledge using support from his secretaries but reality is, his one goal from the ministry is to scam as much as possible with other responsibilities of the ministry taken care of by the secretary. THAT is the issue. Power corrupts everywhere. But in a Parliamentary system," idle mind is devil s workshop " comes into play as well. A subject expert in the presidential system will have a modicum of conscience.
     

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