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Two U.S. howitzers arriving for tests

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  1. AbRaj

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    Two U.S. howitzers arriving for tests
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    Dinakar Peri
    NEW DELHI: DECEMBER 26, 2016 00:53 IST
    UPDATED: DECEMBER 26, 2016 00:53 IST

    In a first, India is buying 145 M-777 artillery guns made by BAE Systems, in a $737-million deal
    Two of the ultra-light howitzers India contracted from the U.S. last month will be delivered to the Army within six months, to kickstart the process of integrating the American artillery gun into the Indian arsenal.

    India last integrated a modern artillery gun in the 1980s when Swedish gun-maker Bofors supplied artillery guns. However, the scandal surrounding its purchase and allegations of kickback resulted in the Army not procuring any new artillery guns for almost three decades. The purchase of the M-777 guns from the U.S. has broken that jinx.

    By November-end, India signed the Letter of Acceptance (LoA) with the U.S. government under the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme for 145 BAE Systems-built M-777A2 artillery guns in a $737- million deal.

    “Two guns will be delivered to the Army within six months from the signing of the LoA for preparing the range tables and calibration,” a source told The Hindu.

    A senior officer explained that range tables were required when integrating local ammunition in use by the Army with the gun and calibrating it against a whole lot of variables such as weather and temperature.

    As per schedule, the first lot of deliveries will begin 21 months after the initial payment which, defence officials say, will be done about five weeks from the signing of the LoA. Of the 145 guns, 25 will be imported and the remaining 120 assembled in India. BAE Systems expects to sign an agreement with the U.S. Department of Defence soon to execute the contract.

    M-777 ULH is the lightest 155-mm artillery gun making it ideal for employment by the Army’s mountain strike corps in the mountains. Weighing just over four tonnes, the gun can be transported underslung on helicopters. It is ideally suited for transport by the Boeing-built Chinook heavy-lift helicopters, 15 of which India has signed up for.

    Limiting mobility

    However, the small number of helicopters will limit their rapid mobility. For this, the Army has tested them for transport by the Russian-built Mi-17 V5 medium lift helicopters operated by the Indian Air Force (IAF).

    Officials confirmed that during the initial gun trails, its transportability was tested with Mi-17 V5 helicopters. There are 151 Mi-17 V5s in service with the IAF and plans are under way to procure 48 more.

    The gun may not be airlifted entirely by the Mi-17s; it will have to dismantled slightly. But this will greatly enhance the rapid mobility when needed, one officer observed.

    The US M-777 howitzer programme is managed by the Joint Project Manager Towed Artillery Systems (PM-TAS), part of the Program Executive Office (PEO) Ammunition located at Picatinny Arsenal, New Jersey.

    The basic gun is the same as the howitzers that the U.S. military uses. However, they requested a different fire-control system. It’s the system that Canada uses on their howitzers; so it's already battle-proven,” Joe Lipinski, PM-TAS lead for International Acquisition Programmes, said in a statement.

    In addition, PEO Ammunition and BAE Systems will provide technical manuals, training programmes and engineering support. The contract also covers five years of spare parts.


    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/Two-U.S.-howitzers-arriving-for-tests/article16942588.ece
     
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    For lightweight howitzers, otherwise ATAGS is more than enough to bomb em in a raining way. With six round at once, power is nearly double of a usual battery.:D
     
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    ATAGS is at least 5 years away from deployment
     
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    Why not transfer some wheeled TDs at loc after 2 years of trials and do further trials there? :evilgrin:
     
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    Can DRDO Atags can fire thermobaric rounds?
     
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    AbRaj Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Nop, Pakistani army will never give us feedback :sarcastic:needed
    They are hideous
     
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    It is simple if it misses they will say heavy shelling from India but if it hits accurately they will say nothing happened..... :devilwork:
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Self-Propelled

    • K-9 Vajra -- 155mm, 52-cal -- Hanwha Techwin, L&T
    • Caesar -- 155mm, 52-cal -- Nexter, L&T, Ashok Leyland

    Towed

    • ATAGS -- 155mm, 52-cal -- DRDO, Tata Power SED
    • Possible foreign 155mm, 52-cal
    • Dhanush-45 -- 155mm, 45-cal -- OFB
    • M777 -- 155mm, 39-cal -- BAE, local production

    Rocket Arty

    • Pinaka-II -- 300mm
    • SMERCH -- 300mm (local production of rounds)
    • Pinaka-I Block-II -- 214mm

    Boy, that is some artillery development roadmap! Glad that most of the procurement programs are moving ahead at quite a respectable pace. Artillery was one of the weakest links in Indian Army's chain ever since the Bofors ghost. Appreciate the NDA government for taking steps toward rectifying this gap without getting the procurement process muddied again.
     
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    @Hellfire sir what happened to Himalaya (derivative of Slovakian ZUZANA) and Bheem projects?
    @MilSpec
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Both are dead.
     
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    Why?
    We should have continued development of Himalaya as we have got TOT from Slovakia(?)
    Instead of importing K9
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    K-9 will also include ToT in future. Besides, the Vajra is already a done deal - going back on it now will unnecessarily delay the procurement of SPH by at least another 5 years (given the fact progress on Himalaya/Zuzana negotiations hasn't gotten anywhere yet), and in the end, what's the advantage of this as opposed to Hanwha-L&T deal? Both are foreign designs and the ToT will only be enough to facilitate local production in both cases. No one will give up the design rights entirely, unless we go and buy the IPRs outright (like Kalyani Group did with GHN.45 design).

    Please go through this thread by @MilSpec to understand the dire state of artillery procurement: http://indiandefence.com/threads/terrible-state-of-indian-artillery.57381/unread (in case you haven't already). Delays are the last thing we need right now.
     
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    Let us complete their testing first.
     
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