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U.S. Deploys F-22 Fighter Jets to UAE: Officials

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by Manmohan Yadav, May 2, 2012.

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  1. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    We like to try out aircraft in actual battles, this is prob one of the best places.
     
  2. olivers

    olivers 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I kind of see where vstol is going with this. I also see one flaw in my earlier reasoning. Pakistan having not been under sanctions. Well all sanctions were against oil producing countries. They almost always produced more than they consumed. Not the case with Pakistan. So to that extent sanctions are not necessary. It's already in a state of sanctions. So it could be Iran or Pakistan.

    Iran seems to be wearing towards diplomacy. Pakistan seems to be moving away from NATO routes. USA hardened it's position on an apology. We even saw a bounty on hafiz said. Then a retraction. Then a leak that Osama had a 12 suv convoey and logistics to keep his movements undetectable, hinting at ISI/Army support. I am not sure either way. It might be a limited strike on the Haqqani network in Pakistan without foot soldiers.
     
  3. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Thats really not practical from a lot of different standpoints.
     
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    olivers 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Well you already have drone attacks. I don't see how bringing in F-22's which are stealth is any different.
     
  5. WhiteRose

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    You are out of your mind....who says Saudis have a nuclear program....
    1st go and verify your knowledge...
    with even 1st sentence a false claim why should i read further....
     
  6. WhiteRose

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    they tried drones....Didn't they......when Iranians pulled it to the ground......
     
  7. olivers

    olivers 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Don't try personal attacks. It shows you don't want to contest on merits. Please check the missiles which Saudi Arabia is alleged to have acquired. It was capable of delivering a pay load of over two tons. No country in the world acquires missiles capable of delivering more than two tons over 2800km if they don't have a nuclear payload. So don't bother reading the rest. Pakistan is the first muslim country to have tested a nuclear weapon. Saudi's have access to such weapons or have suitable arrangements to acquire one at short notice. This is an extrapolation from possession of delivery platform exclusively used for delivery of nuclear weapons. No strategic expert will accept a conventional payload being used with such a missile if it is at all used.

    MissileThreat :: CSS-2A
     
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  8. olivers

    olivers 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Missilethreat.com

    The greatest strategic threat to the United States is an attack by one or more ballistic missiles armed with nuclear or other weapons of mass destruction. Today, the United States remains completely vulnerable to this form of attack.

    Missilethreat.com is dedicated to explaining this threat, and the urgent need for robust and layered missile defenses. Systems based on land, sea, air, and in space which are capable of intercepting a missile during any phase of its flight are necessary to provide for the common defense.

    Home :: Missiles of the World



    CSS-2A

    Country: People's Republic of China
    Associated Country: Saudi Arabia
    Alternate Name: DF-3A
    Class: IRBM
    Basing: Surface based
    Length: 21.20 m
    Diameter: 2.25 m
    Launch Weight: 64000 kg
    Payload: Single warhead, 2150 kg or 2500 kg
    Warhead: Nuclear 3 MT, HE
    Propulsion: Single-stage liquid
    Range: 2,800 km
    Status: Operational
    In Service: 1988
    Details

    The CSS-2 is an intermediate-range, surface-based, liquid propellant ballistic missile. It is the oldest operational ballistic missile deployed in the People’s Republic of China (PRC). The CSS-2 was designed as a replacement for the previous CSS-1 design, which used a primitive liquid propellant that could not be effectively stored. This prevented the weapon from remaining fueled for long periods of time or being launched under short notice. It also had an increased payload and range, capable of striking all US bases in the Philippines while carrying a payload sufficient for the estimated load of a hydrogen bomb. The CSS-2A was later developed as an improved version upon the CSS-2.



    The CSS-2A was designed as a strategic asset. Its ability to strike US military bases as far as the Philippines enabled the PRC to undermine the US military’s authority in the region. During the Korean War, the PRC attempted to forcibly expel the US from the region using soldiers; nuclear weapons would provide a far stronger threat. The CSS-2A also provides a range capable of threatening almost all Indian and a number of Russian cities, providing a powerful threat in the case of hostilities. However, it is unable to directly threaten the United States or major Russian cities. Its accuracy and payload rendered it capable of engaging large targets such as civilian population centers, but it could not be effectively used against enemy missile silos, even if any were within range. The size of its warhead makes the CSS-2 ideal for depopulating cities. It is also used to exert pressure upon the surrounding countries, such as threatening nations that contest the PRC’s claim to disputed territory.



    The CSS-2A has a range of 2,800 km (1,740 miles) and can carry a payload of either 2,150 or 2,500 kg. However, a reduced payload can give it a range as far as 4,000 km (2,485 miles). The payload is equipped with a single 1 to 3 MT yield nuclear warhead, though a high explosive warhead was also developed for export. It uses an inertial system with an accuracy of 1,000 m CEP. It has a length of 21.2 m, a width of 2.25 m and a launch weight of 64,000 kg. It uses a single-stage liquid propellant engine. In 1985, the PRC attempted to develop a new delivery system for the CSS-2A, most likely a Multiple Reentry Vehicle (MRV) system designed to strike dispersed targets with a single warhead. However, it is believed that these attempts were unsuccessful and the original, single warhead remains equipped on the CSS-2A.



    The CSS-2 system entered development in the early 1960s, with a series of flight tests having occurred from 1966 to 1968. The CSS-2A was designed to modernize the obsolete system and began development in the early 1980s. Flight tests for the CSS-2A occurred in 1986. Despite being a relatively obsolete design, the missile remains in service to maintain the PRC’s nuclear dominance of the region. In recent years, the PRC has reported a steep decline in the number of CSS-2A missiles as the more modern DF-25 and CSS-N-3s become prevalent. The PRC has begun to rely more upon sea-launched systems, particularly cruise missiles. These systems are better suited for deployment against island nations such as Japan or the Republic of China (ROC).



    The CSS-2A system was sold to Saudi Arabia in 1987, equipped with a specifically designed high explosive warhead. It is reported that between 50 and 60 missiles have been deployed by Saudi Arabia in two launch sites, with between 10 and 15 transport vehicle systems. It is unknown whether Saudi Arabia was sold older missiles that were being replaced or operational missiles that were in previously in service. Unconfirmed reports suggest that the PRC also developed chemical warheads for export to Saudi Arabia.(1)
     
  9. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    You need to do it now or you will be called a failure all over the world without support of UK and also you have yet to win a battle with anyone outside europe without sanctions and real direct fight. from Korea to Vietnam to Iraq to Afganistan you have had to run away with tail between your legs.
    your CIA knows it as do I that just by increasing the diameter of Agni-5 by 0.5 mtrs we can hit you anywhr in your country.You also know that AGNI-5 has been built with tech and material which allows us to do so at very very short notice.

    I was the firstone on this site to claim 8k range for Agni-5. Hope you will remember that and also my new contention.
     
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  10. Death.By.Chocolate

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    What did I miss, why is India attacking the United States with Agni-5's? RTB and have someone check your gyroscope Monsieur vstol.:crazy:
     
  11. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Bounty on Hafiz Saeed, no biggy.
    12 SUVs? What's the big deal, it wasn't a convoy, in the vast region of Waziristan, where they may have been thousands of extremists at the time, 12 vehicles is really not that big of a deal.

    And common sense dictates that it couldn't have been ISI or PA, just look at the long list of AQ members we've finished.

    The funding could be simply explained too, they may be rag tag talibs, but they do own a lucrative opium/heroin trade, kidnappings and ransoms that come with it and massive sums of money on protection rackets.
     
  12. olivers

    olivers 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Jungi. Good luck. It depends on US now how they want to play the stopping of NATO routes. They might leave without fuss or create a way out or be forced to create a way out.
     
  13. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    We have no requirement for such a missile nor will we build one such missile. we are now adequately prepared to handle the present and near future threats. However, with changing times things and threats change. India in its 10k history has never invaded or attacked any nation. We hindus dont do it, but if forced, we strike decisively.
     
  14. Averageamerican

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    Of course you can, maybe, but even if you succeed, or even try or the US finds out a country is planning a nuclear attack, nuclear weapons will be comming with pin point accuracy by the thousands. Remember we have done it befor and we can and will do it again if it is necessary. Hell you people are even scared of Pakistan when they kill indians by the hundreds, there is no way you all are going to attack the USA.
     
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    To Kill an American
    You probably missed this in the rush of news, but there was actually a report that someone in Pakistan had published in a newspaper, an offer of a reward to anyone who killed an American, any American.

    So an Australian dentist wrote an editorial the following day to let everyone know what an American is . So they would know when they found one. (Good one, mate!!!!)

    'An American is English, or French, or Italian, Irish, German, Spanish , Polish, Russian or Greek. An American may also be Canadian, Mexican, African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Australian, Iranian, Asian, or Arab, or Pakistani or Afghan.

    An American may also be a Comanche, Cherokee, Osage, Blackfoot, Navaho, Apache, Seminole or one of the many other tribes known as native Americans.

    An American is Christian , or he could be Jewish, or Buddhist, or Muslim. In fact, there are more Muslims in America than in Afghanistan . The only difference is that in America they are free to worship as each of them chooses.

    An American is also free to believe in no religion.. For that he will answer only to God, not to the government, or to armed thugs claiming to speak for the government and for God.

    An American lives in the most prosperous land in the history of the world.

    The root of that prosperity can be found in the Declaration of Independence , which recognizes the God given right of each person to the pursuit of happiness.

    An American is generous.. Americans have helped out just about every other nation in the world in their time of need, never asking a thing in return.


    When Afghanistan was over-run by the Soviet army 20 years ago, Americans came with arms and supplies to enable the people to win back their country!

    As of the morning of September 11, Americans had given more than any other nation to the poor in Afghanistan ...

    The national symbol of America , The Statue of Liberty , welcomes your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest tossed. These in fact are the people who built America


    Some of them were working in the Twin Towers the morning of September 11 , 2001 earning a better life for their families. It's been told that the World Trade Center victims were from at least 30 different countries, cultures, and first languages, including those that aided and abetted the terrorists.

    So you can try to kill an American if you must. Hitler did. So did General Tojo , and Stalin , and Mao Tse-Tung, and other blood-thirsty tyrants in the world.. But, in doing so you would just be killing yourself . Because Americans are not a particular people from a particular place. They are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom. Everyone who holds to that spirit, everywhere, is an American.
     
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