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U.S. Deploys F-22 Fighter Jets to UAE: Officials

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by Manmohan Yadav, May 2, 2012.

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  1. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Except US are becoming more and more symbol of tyranny, thanks to Milton Friedman and other corporatists.
     
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    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    There is no question in my mind that forceing the Taliban from power in Afganstan in light of 911 was the right thing to do. Theres no question in my mind that getting Saddam out of Kuwait was the right thing to do. There is no question in my mind that destroying Saddam and sons an ending the Bathist party reign of Iraq was the right thing to do. And we did do it. Theres no question that the drone strikes being as careful as possible is the right thing to do. Simply put we did what needed done, even simply put, we walk our talk. Some of the less friendly observers have determined that we will abandon our principles and reveal ourselves as shallow cynical exploiters. Thats not true... we just walk our talk." We have left Iraq and are leaving Afganstan.
     
  3. olivers

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    Do you believe the Indian Nuclear deal is a co-incidence? Let me be clear on this. The deal is an american attempt to keep Indian nuclear deterrent in check. To prevent further tests. To ensure the supremacy of america for as long as it can.

    Let me also tell you that most of that is premised on the conventional nuclear weapons deployed by america and the rest of the p5. The Indian weapons program can't be contained by a Fissile Material Cutoff treaty. Infact we are ready to sign onto a FMCT. The thousands you speak of raining on us, well for now we don't have the missiles in numbers to reply. The fact remains it's a numerical advantage and only in terms of missiles and delivery platforms. Nothing else as far as MAD is concerned. The weapons program of India is independent of enrichment if it so chooses to be. This weapons capacity is multiple redundant, extant, economical and numerically sufficient. It's curtailed in the uni-directional thought process of American and p5 current warheads and expertise. The civil nuclear containment deal was a failure and America knows it. It's not the Indian direction, and it never was. In fact the elephant is happy to hear reports of duds and non performing assets. Just read the highlight phrase speaking towards weapons capacity. Every single word after capacity is carefully chosen and accurate. None of the P5 have all. America and Russia have the all except one. China has all except two. The coat tail power has none. The focus now from America is on ENR and containing India through denial of ENR. Again the wrong focus, one which India does not rely on for deterrence. ENR for India isn't about deterrence it's about energy security. Indian program is beyond cap and roll back and the route to Indian weapons is fascinating. Even discussing the open source details is a proliferation risk when details are placed together.

    As to the other innocent question as to why India needs missiles targeting the benevolent America lies in talks of G2 and a repeat of American history from the 1970's when they moved closed to India and then moved closer to China. So it's all relative. Obama with his nuclear non proliferation push wishes to do the ENR denial regime. India isn't prepared to be stuck the the umbilical of America like the America-Saudi Arabia petro chord. ENR denial regime will be part of the great game calculus on ICBMS of India. Great powers play great games. India might appear to be blundering along not ready to be an alpha male like the rest of the P5, don't mistake the elephant. When it charges it's just as deadly. Let's just hope we don't have to get to that. The next American president will decide if it wants to be India's friend or enemy. If America choose to contain India with ENR blockade it's the end of Indo-US friendship, just like 1970s. Only this time India will be nuclear armed and ready to protect it's interests on nuclear supply lines. Any blockade of the flow of petrol to America is a declaration of war. Similarly any blockade of nuclear fuel to Indian reactors setup with Indian money producing electricity for any reason will need a deterrent. The Indian malacca straights, panama canal and suez canal are global with the nuclear deal. Think about it. India will have ICBMS with global reach unless America keeps it's original promise and gets away from containment. It's America's choice. Right now we have some shared interests, but Indian interests are being tested by America and Obama has gone back on lots of promises of the Bush era. Just like the 1970's. I am being explicit here. All is not well with Indo-US relationship and Obama is the person to blame.

    WallStreetJournal has an editorial piece on A5 read it carefully and you will follow. Expand the same and you will also follow India isn't ready to toe the line. It never has been a great power willing to project power outside and never will. Elephants don't just decide they like hunting for sport. They are however very good at defending against threats.
     
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    With a clutch of energy contracts covering almost 90% of Iraqi oil firmly in the hands of American and British oil companies. Colonialism by any other name is still colonialism.
     
  5. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Yes, after these countries have been exploited and most resources bought by US corporations.
     
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    There's nothing new about it. Iraq,Saudi, Kuwait, UAE, Oman all having puppet governments installed by the so called US Democracy.

    Next target will be Iran.

    Now the role of Israel is some thing exciting. An american watchdog over the middle east.

    Israel is a good friend of india but certaily they have very bad Human Rights history. if not today but definitely they have to answer thousands of killings done by them on palestine and forcefully occupied land of Palestine.
     
  7. Averageamerican

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    Our problem with Iran is that its a terrorist country that supports and exports terrorism and is developing nuclear weapons. It does not have any thing to do with oil. Oil is a commodity, and you pay the world price where ever you are. US gets very little of its oil from Iraq.
     
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    Unfortunately, it's too simplistic a point of view. Most of the oil resources are locked into multi year futures contracts which are in favor of oil companies with nationalities. This was true of the pre-war Iraq or the pre-war Iran or pre-war kuwait. To make matters worse India and China have long term contracts on almost half of all natural resources in Africa and the rest of the world. The world isn't a free market. US, India and China know this. The friction and hedging and double hedging by India, China and US between themselves is proof of this uneasy truce. It's a new colonial war. US is used to using military force to get her way. China and India so far have been reluctant to join the US in war when it can be achieved through other developmental alternatives.

    If only we were all so civil to have all products being sold in the international markets. Most oil exploration and extraction is based on foreign investment with a promise to purchase at the then prevailing market rates or with a small discount to account for the investment and to offset the same. So it's very naive to talk about free market in commodities. It does not exist even in Australia. It's all Chinese futures contracts with Chinese investment and supply pipeline for years of locked up supply. None of this will be on the free market available to a third country. Welcome to capitalism China style. Or should we say colonialism China style?

    A locked up supply chain benefits the country with the resources too. The commodities available in the rest of the free market will be priced higher as it's now a scarce commodity. This makes their contracts worth more. See what's driving oil prices? It's not the free markets. It's the lack of it. China started it and everyone else has been forced to follow.
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Saddam was about to increase price of oil being sold to US to world market levels; before, US was getting oil at below market costs. Then US invaded. I wouldn't call that a coincidence.
     
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    F-22 vs F-14.:fie:
     
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    Why would Saddam sell oil to the USA at below market price, does that make any sense to you at all? Maybe it was because he and Bushs were such good buddies, am sure their was no hard feelings over the invasion of Kuwait, and then the attempt to kill George Bush Sr.
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Oh yes, attempt to kill George Bush Sr. which has never been proven, is supported by no evidence whatsoever, and stinks on black ops incidents set up by US intelligence agences that justified wars against Spain (justified by alleged Spain's attack on USS Maine) and Vietnam (North Vietnam allegedly attacked US destroyer off its coast).

    Saddam refused to sell oil in US dollars, which had a great impact since US Dollar standard was not gold, but oil standard since 1970s. Saddam selling oil in euros, as he intended, would have consequences for the US, by threatening US dollar hegemony. Moreover, almost all Iraqi companies were state-owned - a gold mine that US could use after privatization, and turning country into neoconservative heaven. Iraq is market with potential annual profit of 50 billion USD.

    After the invasion, US occupational force did nothing to stop looting - actually, it participated in it itself. Result was the loss of estimated 1 million books, 10 million documents, 14 000 archeological artifacts. Iraqi army was disbanded - bulk of nationalistic resistance came from Iraqi Army personnel. Police force was disbanded. No attempt was made to restore communal services.

    Meanwhile, military industry is so important now that US simply can't survive without either:
    a) completely restructuring economy
    b) engaging in perpetual wars

    Option "a" is completely unnaceptable to Military-Industrial Complex. Therefore, only option "b" remains - perpetual war as replacement for the Cold War.

    What is more damning is that there is lack of basic equipment - such as reliable assault rifles, body armor etc. in US army.

    Another reason is establishing US military presence in Middle East, as well as to give a blow to OPEC, which is threatening US oil hegemony.
     
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    I know a little about the US military, Not to be seen as bragging but the flat fact is It is widely accepted by military experts around the world that the U.S could easily defeat the entire world at war.

    Stealth drones, G.P.S.-guided smart munitions that hit precisely where aimed; antitank bombs that guide themselves; space-relayed data links that allow individual squad leaders to know exactly where American and opposition forces are during battle — the United States military rolled out all this advanced technology, and more, in its lightning conquest of Iraq. No other military is even close to the United States with a half million combat veterans . The American military is now the strongest the world has ever known, both in absolute terms and relative to other nations; stronger than the Wehrmacht in 1940, stronger than the legions at the height of Roman power. For years to come, no other nation is likely even to try to rival American might. So dream on.

    Do you know any military on earth that had the power to go into the middle of Pakistan and take out Osama. Do you know any military on earth that could have went into Yemen and killed 21 militants in the last two days.

    Which means: the global arms race is over, with the United States the undisputed heavyweight champion. Other nations are not even trying to match American armed force, because they are so far behind they have no chance of catching up. The great-powers arms race, in progress for centuries, has ended with the rest of the world conceding triumph to the United States.

    Russia is not trying to compete with the US military, they just are interested in keeping jobs by exporting inferior weapons. The same junk that Israel and USA has been useing for target practice for years.
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    US military spending is twice that of rest of the world combined, so...

    Russia, China, maybe France, Great Britain or Germany, althought last three would have quite a lot of problems with logistics, and would have to work together to get anything done.

    I'm not dreaming. US will destroy itself economically, because too much of its military spending goes for irrelevancies.

    China is trying. EU is easily US equal in technological terms, although not numerically.

    Thanks to ground forces, A-10 and General Schwarzkopf Jr.

    But everything what you wrote is irrelevant to my post.
     
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    Dream on.
     
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