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U.S. Navy deploys newest patrol aircraft to Japan amid China Air ID Zone crisis

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  1. layman

    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    U.S. Navy VP-16 has just begun the first deployment with the new Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol and anti-submarine warfare (ASW) aircraft.

    The first aircraft departed from Naval Air Station Jacksonville, Florida, on Nov. 29. Destination, Kadena, Okinawa, one the largest U.S. airbases in the Asia-Pacific region, located about 400 chilometers East of the disputed Senkaku islands (Diaoyu for China).

    The deployment was planned months ago and officially announced on Oct. 3, when US Secretary of State John Kerry, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, Japanese Minister for Foreign Affairs Fumio Kishida and Minister of Defense Itsunori Onodera, agreed to base two US Marine Corps MV-22 Osprey squadrons in Okinawa, as well as detach US Navy P-8 maritime patrol aircraft beginning in December.

    However, the situation in the region, with the growing tensions following the establishment of a Chinese Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) and an incresing amount of aircraft and warships operating around the disputed islands, give a different meaning to the first deployment of the Poseidon, a derivative of the Boeing 737, capable to carry the Mk-54 airborne torpedo and the Harpoon anti-ship missile, and to perform ASW (Anti-Submarine Warfare) missions as well as ISR (Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance) tasks.

    Poseidons belonging to the VP-16 War Eagles squadron will not only keep an eye on Chinese submarines or perform intelligence missions, but will probably assist rescue efforts in the Philippines, supporting Operation Damayan.

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    Excellent. The Indian Navy P-8Is have also been flown in to A&N island chain that overlooks Malacca Straits
    recently.
     
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  4. Manmohan Yadav

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  5. layman

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    US Deploys Two P-8A Poseidons After IOC

    P-8A Aircraft Program Achieves Initial Operational Capability
    (Source: US Navy; issued Nov. 29, 2013)

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    A P-8A Poseidon takes off on the type’s first operational deployment to the Far East, immediately after having achieved its Initial Operational Capability. (USN photo)

    JACKSONVILLE, Fla. --- The Navy's newest maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft, the P-8A Poseidon, has achieved initial operational capability (IOC) after the first two P-8A Poseidons departed for deployment Nov. 29.

    This announcement comes weeks after the completion of the Operational Readiness Evaluation of the first deploying P-8A Poseidon squadron and the commander of Patrol and Reconnaissance Group officially declaring the first P-8A squadron, Patrol Squadron 16 (VP-16), "prepared for deployment" Nov. 4.

    "This IOC declaration is the culmination of years of careful planning and coordinated effort by the fleet, resource sponsor, acquisition community, and industry," said Capt. Scott Dillon, program manager for Maritime Patrol and Reconnaissance Aircraft Program Office (PMA-290).

    By achieving IOC, the Navy can effectively deploy the P-8A for operational missions and continue to successfully transition from the aging P-3C. The Poseidon program is on track for completing the remaining preparations for the first operational deployment of a P-8A squadron.

    "With the P-3 to P-8 transition well underway at Jacksonville, VP-16 is executing an Inter-Deployment Readiness Cycle and is on track to be the first P-8 squadron to deploy. VP-5 has completed their P-8 transition, and VP-45 has commenced P-8 transition after returning from deployment this past summer. In addition to leading the fleet transition process, VP-30 is also producing P-8 qualified replacement personnel for direct accession into P-8 qualified squadrons," said Rear Adm. Matt Carter, Commander Patrol and Reconnaissance Group. "There has never been a greater need for a new patrol and reconnaissance aircraft now that the aging P-3 is nearing the end of its life cycle. The P-8 is a true multi-mission platform, which will continue to provide us invaluable capabilities."

    "The number of submarines in the world is increasing rapidly. Other countries are either building or purchasing advanced, quiet, and extremely hard to find submarines and we need to be able to match that technology to be able to detect them. The P-8, along with the Triton, will strengthen the maritime mission and provide greater situational awareness," Carter added.

    This year was filled with crucial programmatic milestones for the program office, including the successful completion of Initial Operational Test and Evaluation and the on-going delivery of initial production aircraft in support of the first three P-3 to P-8 squadron transitions. To date, 12 low rate initial production aircraft were delivered to the fleet, and the final aircraft in the second production lot is on-track to deliver ahead of schedule and prior to the end of the year.

    The program office along with the P-8 Fleet Integration Team in Naval Air Station (NAS) Jacksonville, Fla., is continuing to support the transitioning squadrons with training by also using the P-8A Integrated Training Center (ITC). The ITC is meeting training requirements of the Fleet Replacement Squadron, VP-30, and the transitioning squadrons.

    "We are pleased the P-8A has been, and continues to be, on cost and on schedule," Dillon said. "The program office is continuing to support the needs of the fleet and deliver an aircraft that recapitalizes and improves upon the capabilities of its predecessor; greatly enhancing the effectiveness of the Navy's forward deployed squadrons."
     
  6. Manmohan Yadav

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    U.S. sends new submarine-hunting jets to Japan

    As Vice President Joseph R. Biden arrived in Japan on Monday for a week of diplomacy in Asia, the U.S. military dispatched the first of six top-tech submarine-hunting jets to its Okinawa post near the disputed East China Sea, a move sure to ratchet up tensions among China and the U.S.

    The Navy plans to send in a total of six P-8 Poseidon patrol craft, aimed at bolstering the United States’ ability to root out submarines in the area. The deployment was planned months ago, but nonetheless comes as China declared an expanded air defense zone above islands that it’s fighting Japan to control.

    Mr. Biden landed in Tokyo on Monday to start a weeklong trip in which he will hold talks with the leaders of Japan, China and South Korea. Aides said the vice president will confront Chinese President Xi Jinping later in the week in Beijing about China’s intentions for the chain of islands also claimed by Japan.

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    The U.S. said it has advised commercial airlines to follow China’s guidance for flight paths in the region for safety reasons. But the Obama administration said the U.S. doesn’t accept the legitimacy of China’s new air defense zone, and Mr. Biden will make that clear.

    “This appears to be a provocative attempt to unilaterally change the status quo in the East China Sea and thus raises regional tensions and increases the risk of miscalculation, confrontation and accidents,†White House press secretary Jay Carney said. “The fact that China’s announcement has caused confusion and increased the risk of accidents only further underscores the validity of our concerns and the need for China to rescind the procedures.â€

    Vice President Joseph R. Biden arrives in Tokyo on Monday to start a three-country trip that will allow him to raise U.S. "concerns with policymakers in Beijing and to seek clarity regarding the Chinese intentions" in the East China Sea, the White House said. (Associated Press)
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    Mr. Carney said China’s air zone “overlaps†with zones established by Japan, South Korea and Taiwan.

    “We do not accept the legitimacy of China’s requirements for operating in the newly declared [zone], and will underscore how important it is to avoid actions that raise tensions and to prevent miscalculations that could undermine peace, security and prosperity in the region,†Mr. Carney said. “This is an opportunity for Vice President Biden to raise our concerns directly with policymakers in Beijing and to seek clarity regarding the Chinese intentions in making this move at this time.â€

    The vice president is meeting Tuesday with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who is seeking assurances that the U.S. will stand firm against China’s claims.

    In an editorial published Monday, the state-run newspaper China Daily said the air defense zone could be “a hard-to-navigate topic†for Mr. Biden and British Prime Minister David Cameron, who is also visiting Beijing this week. The paper said the Cairo Declaration, a World War II-era communique that stated Japan should give up all islands it had seized, “remains the ultimate key to sorting out the convoluted territorial dispute between China and Japan.â€

    “The China-hating politicians in Washington display collective amnesia when and where it gets in the way of demonizing China,†the editorial stated, adding that “challenging our legitimate claim to the Diaoyu Islands is an outright betrayal of the [Cairo] Declaration.â€

    China refers to the territory as the Diaoyu Islands; Japan calls them the Senkaku Islands.

    Tokyo and Beijing’s dispute has led to tense encounters between the two nations’ ships and planes in the past year. Last month, China announced an expanded air defense zone that encompasses the uninhabited islands, creating heightened concern among the U.S. and its allies for the safety of commercial passenger flights, military flights and other commerce in the region.

    The situation has raised fears of a midair incident and has fueled concern about how far China is willing to pursue its interests in the region and challenge U.S. influence.

    Mr. Biden’s efforts at diplomacy come at a low point in Asia for the Obama administration. Although President Obama has long made a point of his intention to pivot U.S. policy toward the Asia-Pacific, the president had to cancel his attendance at two Asian summits in October due to the government shutdown in Washington.
     
  7. layman

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    US is bringing big rigs to the foray. It is upto Chinese to react.
     
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  8. Averageamerican

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    Many people consider the P 8 as defenseless but they can target ships for submarine cruise anti ship missiles.
     
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    Asia Pivot, With A Flinch

    by Austin Bay
    December 3, 2013
    Vice-President Joe Biden's strong reaffirmation of the U.S.-Japan alliance is better news following bad. The bad news is what made the American reaffirmation necessary: China's latest act of "barbed wire diplomacy," the extension of its Air Defense Identification Zone to include a disputed chain of Japanese-administered islets northwest of Okinawa.

    The Japanese call the disputed islets the Senkakus. The Chinese call them the Diaoyu.

    Two names for a territory may simply be colloquial artifacts. When the history is ugly, however, one man's idiom is another man's curse. "Double names" are often the cartographer's mark of lingering animosity between neighboring states. Many Chinese, with good reason, resent Imperial Japan's brutality during World War 2. When Beijing spars with Tokyo, Chinese nationalists applaud -- at least that is one interpretation.

    This ADIZ's line of barbs, however, also snagged another major American ally in East Asia. The zone includes a reef claimed by South Korea. Ay, there's the rub.

    Official U.S. policy is to bridge the animosity. The U.S. recognizes current Japanese authority, but wants China and Japan to solve the dispute peacefully. However, an ADIZ involves air defense, which involves a military threat. Aircraft entering a recognized ADIZ must identify themselves to the national air controllers. If they fail to do so, they may go down in flames.

    Implicit armed threat is another rub -- for Washington. Last week, after China declared the new ADIZ, the Obama Administration tested it, vigorously. Two un-armed B-52s flew through the zone. The bombers did not identify themselves to Chinese air controllers; Chinese interceptors didn't disturb them.

    Bluff called and miscalculation revealed?

    After the B-52 sorties, Washington told U.S. civilian aircraft to recognize the ADIZ. If the flinch is defensible as caution and a diplomatic gesture to China, Japan ordered its civilian aircraft to ignore the ADIZ completely.

    Hasty miscalculation by Chinese nationalists remains the Obama Administration's preferred explanation for the ADIZ.

    In Tokyo this week (on his way to visit Chinese president Xi Jinping), Vice-President Biden told Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe that the U.S. firmly supports Japan's rejection of China's claim. "The U.S. and Japanese security liaison," Biden said, "is the cornerstone, not merely in the Pacific region, but the cornerstone on which our security is built for the next 20 years." Biden's statement reaffirmed an economic and geo-strategic fact. The U.S. sees Japan as an essential global security partner, not a Pacific Ocean trip wire.

    Abe called Biden's visit "timely," which it was. He described "the security environment in the Asia-Pacific region" as "increasingly severe." And it is.

    Biden and Xi have meetings with photo ops. Good diplomatic guests, on what was touted as a friendly meet and greet, don't scold their hosts, at least not too overtly. With that in mind, Biden avoided directly branding China's expanded ADIZ gambit as a grave diplomatic error. Still, at a subsequent news conference, the vice-president lamented the "risks of miscalculation" in Asia. His palpable innuendo provides Beijing with a diplomatic line of retreat.

    But did Beijing really miscalculate?

    For decades, China has been expanding its perimeter, with re-asserting historical Chinese rights to territory as the reason, or excuse. China used it in 1950 when it invaded Tibet. In 1962, China drove India from disputed Himalayan territory. In the 1970s, China renewed claims to islands held by Vietnam and seized them. Then China began producing maps of the South China Sea extending its maritime borders -- lots of provocative dotted lines. Now Chinese and Filipino ships clash over disputed seas.

    China, ultimately diplomatic, backs its dotted line claims with military muscle -- and barbed wire.

    With Japan and South Korea, China faces tougher opponents, so the extended barbed wire hides behind the label "defense." Yes, miscalculation may be Beijing's tactical excuse. But including South Korea was definitely part of the message. Beijing is telling Washington that future relations hinge on the U.S. accepting extended Chinese hegemony in Asian waters. If that brings a grimace to Joe Biden's photo op face, so be it.
     
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    Chinese sure knows that US is not gonna give up. It would be a good trial for the New P8's to track and detect Chinese Subs...

    Great fun.
     
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    Who ditched Poland and France in 1937? Now you claim to be supporting Japan and APEC but you are third rate guys who will not respond untill scre$$d up by chinese. Pls do not teach us history we know it better than you and we know US better than its citizens. When it comes to war, you simply outsorce it as you did in 1865. Fight and if you survive, you become US citizen.
     
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    Are you talking about the American Civil War in 1865. Joining US armed forces is one way to become a citizens. Last year about 4000 people foreigners joined the US military of about 1.5 million military. No one came to the defense of Poland, it was a surprised attack, countries with joint defense treaties went to war with Germany afterwards, perhaps your knowledge of history is not as good as you think it is. At the time the USA was not obligated to participate in a European War.
     
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    Poland was ditched by UK and France and Russia while USA actively connived with them.
     
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    Britain and France could no longer ignore the aggressors and had begun to mobilize for an impending war. They vowed to protect Poland if it had come under attack, and it did. Germany believed that Britain would not honor its agreement to defend Poland like with Czechoslovakia, but this proved to be wrong; Britain issued Germany an ultimatum and they ignored it. The war had started at the invasion of Poland.
     
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