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UAE in final stages of talks to buy Rafale jets: Air Chief

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  1. Anees

    Anees Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    DUBAI: The United Arab Emirates (UAE) is in the final stages of negotiations to buy French Rafale fighter jets, the head of the Gulf nation's air force told Reuters on Wednesday.

    Defence sources have said Abu Dhabi is looking to purchase 60 fighter jets and is closely studying the Dassault-built Rafale after an earlier evaluation of the four-nation Eurofighter.

    "I think we are in the final stage of negotiations," Major General Ibrahim Nasser Al Alawi, commander of the UAE Air Force and Air Defence, said when asked how close the UAE was to a deal to buy the Rafale.

    He also stressed that no final decision had been taken.

    Dassault Aviation was not immediately for comment.

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    UAE in final stages of talks to buy Rafale jets: Air Chief - The Economic Times
     
  2. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Russia, UAE Sign Breakthrough Military Deal

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    by Tyler Durden
    Mar 1, 2017 5:00 AM

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    The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has signed an outline agreement to buy Russian aircraft. It also plans to implement a joint project with Russia to develop a next-generation fighter that could enter service in seven or eight years.

    According to Russian Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov, who led the Russian delegation at the IDEX 2017 exhibition, the UAE is to purchase a batch of advanced Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E fighters.

    «We signed an agreement of intent for the purchase of the Su-35», Sergei Chemezov, CEO of Rostec Corporation, told Russian news agency TASS. He did not provide details about the deal. A total of 24 Su-35 fighters were sold to China under the first export contract.


    The significance of signing ceremony was illustrated by the fact that it was attended by Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi and Deputy Supreme Commander of the UAE Armed Forces. As reported, the agreement «provides for procurement, development and partial manufacturing of advanced air, land and naval equipment to serve the requirements of the UAE armed forces».

    According to The National Interest, «More troubling for the United States, the deal is an indication that the UAE—a long-time U.S. ally—is drifting into Moscow’s orbit».

    According to Mr. Chemezov, work on the fifth generation joint light fighter is to start as early as 2018. The aircraft is expected to be a variation of the MiG-29 fighter jet. The future warplane proposed by Russia would be built in the UAE »full cycle» following completion of design work and the production of test aircraft. The memorandum of understanding between Russia and the UAE to jointly develop the fighter aircraft follows a similar fighter jet collaboration deal agreed between Russia and India last year.

    The Su-35 is a multifunctional 4++ generation fighter, employing fifth-generation combat avionics. The one seater two-engine high-wing aircraft features a retractable tricycle-type landing gear and nose gear strut. Equipped with AL-41F1S turbojet engines with an afterburner and a controlled thrust vector, it is capable of «pivot turning» and deceiving enemy missiles.

    The plane boasts a maximum speed of 2,400 km/h. Its maximum flying range is 3,600 km without external fuel tanks and 4,500 km with external fuel tanks. The service ceiling is 20,000 meters. The specifications allow it to easily outrun every Western fighter.

    The aircraft has 12 external bays for precision missiles and air bombs and two bays for electronic warfare containers.

    The armament includes 30mm guns, a huge number of missiles and rockets. The combat load is 8 tons. It has 12 hardpoints for carrying external weapons and stores. The aircraft would be launching its weapons from high supersonic speeds around Mach 1.5 at altitudes greater than 45,000 feet. This means the missiles could reach with their targets faster, giving opponents less time to maneuver or respond in kind.

    Military experts are especially impressed with the Su-35's sophisticated phased-array radar control system Irbis-E, which allows the plane to detect targets at distances of up to 400 kilometers. It can simultaneously track up to four ground targets or up to 30 airborne targets, as well as engage up to eight airborne targets at the same time. The radar has a friend-or-foe identification capability for aerial and maritime objects. It is capable of identifying the class and type of airborne targets and can take aerial photos of the ground. An oscillator with peak power output of 20 kW used in the passive phased array radar makes Irbis-E the most powerful radar control system on par with the best international designs, and ahead of most US and European active and passive phased array radars.

    The aircraft is also equipped with «Khibiny-M» - a state-of-the-art electronic warfare equipment, which includes a radar warning system, radar jammer, co-operative radar jamming system, missile approach warner, laser warner and chaff and flare dispenser. A relatively small container in the shape of a torpedo is mounted on the wingtips of the aircraft to make the jets invulnerable to all modern means of defense and enemy fighters.

    The pilot has two VHF/UHF encrypted radio communications systems and a jam-resistant military data link system between squadron aircraft and between the aircraft and ground control. The navigation system is based on a digital map display with a strapdown inertial navigation system and global positioning system.

    High-strength, low-weight, composite materials have been used for non-structural items such as the radomes, nose wheel, door and leading-edge flaps. Some of the fuselage structures are of carbon fibre and aluminium lithium alloy.

    The aircraft was deployed to Syria a year ago.

    German magazine Stern stated that the Su-35 can be considered the world's deadliest fighter jet other than the fifth-generation US F-22.

    The UAE has already purchased Russian ground weapons, such as BMP-3 infantry combat vehicles and Pantsir S1 air-defense systems. The acquisition of the military aircraft is another big step on the way of developing military cooperation with Russia.

    The Emirates is not the only Russian customer in the Persian Gulf. Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu and Qatar’s State Minister for Defense Khalid bin Mohammad Al Attiyah signed a military cooperation agreement in September on the sidelines of the Army-2016 international military-technical forum in Kubinka near Moscow.

    Kuwait and the UAE have purchased Russian infantry fighting vehicles.

    Saudi Arabia has expressed interest in Russian "Iskander-E" short-range ballistic missiles, S-400 long-range air defense systems, missile patrol boats and medium landing ships. Saudi Arabia paid for Russian arms supplies to Egypt.

    The Su-35 and the fifth generation aircraft deal with the UAE reflects the fact that Russia’s geopolitical influence and soft power in the Persian Gulf has increased recently. It is not limited to military cooperation only.

    A $10 billion package deal has been signed between Russia and Saudi Arabia on various projects. As part of the agreement, Russia too will invest in the Saudi Arabian market. President Putin met with King Salman in Antalya in November 2015, and with Deputy Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud in June 2015 in St. Petersburg, as well as in October of the same year in Sochi.

    Russian energy giant Gazprom has expanded its cooperation with Qatargas on liquefied natural gas production. Trade with Oman has grown exponentially. Businessmen from the UAE have invested in the infrastructure for the 2014 winter Olympic games in Sochi. They took part in the construction of a major port near St. Petersburg and cooperated with Rosneft in pipeline construction projects. Political contacts are also intensive.

    The relations with Bahrain are on the rise in all spheres. His Majesty the King Hamad has visited Russia four times during the last six years.

    The Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) member states GCC countries did not join the United States and the EU in imposing economic sanctions against Russia over Ukraine. Moscow has said many times it would welcome the formation of a broad-based Arab coalition around a political solution to the Syrian crisis.

    The growing cooperation with the Arab states of the Persian Gulf are part of the broader process, with Russia’s foothold strengthened in the Middle East amid the tectonic changes taking place to change the political landscape of the region.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-01/russia-uae-sign-breakthrough-military-deal
     
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  3. Bregs

    Bregs Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Good decision by UAE, India has seems to have messed up its new fighter induction programme and now with trump at helm in US the Indian dilemma will continue for unforeseen times
     
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    I don't think it is messed up, Rafales are definitely coming with MII for twin engine fighters (no F-18) and also Rafale M for Navy is also expected. SU 30 MKI being assembled and there is talk for 2 more sqdns. It is only single engine fighter with MII which is pending and fight is between Gripen and F-16, it is here govt. wants to milk as much technology transfer as it can (whatever we could not get from France for Rafale) and who ever gives best technology transfer will win. I think Gripen (Avionics) is leading here.

    Apart from these LCA MK1/MK1A 40 + 83 by 2024 confirmed and if it turns out good enough expect more and later LCA MK2.
     
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  5. OnePunchMan

    OnePunchMan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    how about we buy the remianing mirages from UAE to fill up our squadron strength that is a sure shot way to deny PAF with ny mirages they so much wanted while strengthning the our inventory of the bird i think IAF wont object much considering how much they love the mirage whats say everyone???
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Better than to buy F-16!
     
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  7. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Getting less and less convinced the GoI is serious about this foriegn SE fighter farce. Giving greater orders for the LCA MK.1A and giving more emphasis on the MK.2 will negate any such needs.

    The most recent news (Kaveri revival, Uttam success, CCS clearance for LCA production expansion etc) points heavily towards this IMHO.

    There is zero, let me repeat, ZERO chance of meaningful ToT for F-16 (even local production is unlikely) and the Gripen is a product of many foriegn OEMs where SAAB has little proprietary knowledge itself meaning ToT will be a very complicated affair. Whatever is needed for the AMCA or LCA MK.2 can be worked through with France, chasing after the Gripen or F16 is not going to help in any way.
     
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  8. zebra7

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    Pakistani are very much desperate. They are interested in SU35, F35, Rafale, Gripen, F16 V, Eurofighter but problem is they can't leave China, and all options are difficult due to budget or due to OEM's who feared that their tech. would land into chinese hands.

    However buying 1 squardon of Mirage 2009 from UAE should be considered and give a thought, but I think India will not go with this 2nd hand option since Rafale F3R is going to come from 2019, and it was the Dassault which has proposed IAF/India to go for the Rafale instead of Mirage 2000 route.
     
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  9. Inactive

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    Please. You have just done what they are doing on the other forum - anything that flies, they supposedly have an interest. Even I have an interest in couple of 1000s of F-22s, F-35s, Su-35s, B-2s etc. There is no fear of tech in Chinese hands as majority of OEMs have Chinese nationals in their programs and one thing can be certain - the tech is already with Chinese, just a question of mastering it.

    There is a systematic plan of Chinese which is in place. They have allowed their nationals out - in turn, the nationals have maintained link with their home country and continue to support the country in any way they can.
     
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    The Chinese are pretty much on par with the West when it comes to tech. And they are superior in new upcoming technologies.

    I don't know why Chinese tech is ridiculed so much even by top officials in the west. They may have already surpassed the F-35 for example.
     
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    RT style article... All bark no bite.

    Su 35, yes it can be bought since us is having trouble with supply in war with yemen and also obama's comment of free riders. But a total shift is not possible since they want to move away from oil based economy to a financial one and US has all the control to bank roll them the next day.
     
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    I won't say that they have surpassed, that is some way off. But they have neared or are at par in majority of places.
     
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    SU 35 production in UAE ?
    India didnt miss out Su 35, since we acquiring Su 30 MKI and FGFA..

    If at all we could have had more from Su30 mki DEAL.. or use whatever we had made with them .. like not using the bluprint of bofors...

    Buying Mirage 2009 from UAE instead of F16 is a very good stop gap measure
    we have the trained pilots, we are upgrading and maintaining facilities...

    it will buy some time for our LCA mk2
     
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    they proposed for buying the new aircrafts but this is different we are not buying new but will be buying slightly used aircraft that will offer great bang for buck without needing to setup a new infrastrcuture or training at the same time denying the PAF any aircrafts
    as UAE can draw on the industrial base in india for rafale we can share training and infrastrucutre which is line with our new strategic sort of push with UAE word is we will be launching a mars mission for them(got a friend in ISRO he says there have been few meetings in this regard between both countries) i think this would be a killer smart move if we did unless IAF is too spoilt and only want shiny new toys -_-

    i would even suggest to go as far as buying lot of used F-16s in bulk for the cheap and have them upgrade at home rather than going for brand spanking new one as long as we can get rid of death traps called mig-21 and mig -27 and use the crap out of those F-16 for CAP and retire them just in time for tejas MK2 or LSA or whatever will be our bulk SE replacement.
     
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    If that's the case , can you explain why are they going for the S400 ADS or the Su 35 . How far has their TE plans progressed ? How advanced are their AESA radars , if they have any developed ?They've just developed an MTA for their passenger liner .That may see other commercial or military applications too .How good are their AWACS? How do we know their stealth AC programme is the equivalent of better than the F35 or even the F22?

    It isn't like they do not want to get their hand on other goodies just that they aren't getting any from the Europeans , the Israelis & certainly not from the Japanese & the Americans .

    While they have some way to travel , they're right now at the same stage the former USSR was in the 70's .Their weapons & plarforms had their own USP's .While they weren't top of the notch ones ( at least not in every segment ) , they were effective in the right hands .

    While they aren't as bad as we'd like to think or the western world makes it out to be , they certainly aren't as good or state of the art cutting edge stuff that the Chinese would like you to think too.

    That's my gut feeling based on what I've read , observed , heard & my 2 cents .

    Let me tag @randomradio , @PARIKRAMA @Ankit Kumar 001 @Abingdonboy here too.
     
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