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UK's largest ever warship, HMS Queen Elizabeth, sets sail for the first time

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  1. lca-fan

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    UK's largest ever warship, HMS Queen Elizabeth, sets sail for the first time
    David Szondy June 27th, 2017
    HMS Queen Elizabeth set out from Rosyth, Scotland on her first six-week sea trial off the northeast coast of Scotland to carry out initial tests of the future flagship's fundamental systems.
    [​IMG]Though the Queen Elizabeth's main weapon during her 50 years of service will be an air arm of at least a dozen F-35B Lightning II fighter aircraft, the first years of service will use only helicopters until the fixed-wing planes and their pilots are ready for deployment. When the air crews and Royal Marines are taken aboard, the ship's complement will swell to 1,600.
    "This is a hugely significant moment for the Royal Navy, for all our Armed Forces and for our island nation," says Admiral Sir Philip Jones First Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Staff. "Once in service HMS Queen Elizabeth will be the largest aircraft carrier in the world outside the United States, and the first designed from the outset to operate a fifth generation aircraf
    "Already this ship represents the best of the UK's industrial and engineering expertise, and once in service she will symbolize our military power and authority in the world for decades to come. There is still much work to do between now and then, but be in no doubt: a new era of British maritime power is about to begin."
    The computer simulation video below from the Aircraft Carrier Alliance shows how HMS Queen put to sea.

    http://newatlas.com/hms-queen-elizabeth-sea-trials/50213/
     
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    UK is by far the most closely integrated US ally. Despite this, their newest AC doesn't feature EMALS. I wonder why. If the US is not giving EMALS to UK, what is the likelihood that India will ever get EMALS tech from them?
     
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    The reason why QEC doesn't have EMALS is because 1) the UK had already decided that a CATOBAR design (which also entails the F-35C) was too costly for RN's budget. So they had to settle for a STOVL carrier (which comes with the F-35B which is also cheaper than the C). and 2) the EMALS is still not ready to be used in an operational setting and it's timeline does not match that of the QEC.

    If the QEC timeline was different and they had indeed gone for a CATOBAR design, the likelihood is high than UK would have also adopted EMALS at some stage.
     
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    UK just didn't want EMALS because of budget, had nothing to do with tech availability.
     
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    well the thing is..........we settled on the stovl design from the beginning and even before the carrier was in development. the f35b's were destined for the qec's. the base design comes from ango-french pa2 but differences in need, propulsion and eventually money meant we had to part ways and the french eventually cancelled.

    later on in the middle of construction there were ideas to install emals and buy f35'c but that would mean the ships would cost an addition £4 billion so the idea was thrown out.

    do note the royal navy was instrumental in choosing the x-35 (now the f35) over the x-32 but we were only interested in the stovl variant. the cold barrier from the lift was key to its success as it meant the risk of choking was reduced.
     
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    It uses VSTOL aircraft, so EMALS would be kind of a waste of time.
     
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    The longer story is that they opted for a 'flexible' design but when a decision was made in 2010 to try switch from the chosen VSTOL design to CATOBAR, the flexible design turned out not to be flexible at all, so they were stuck with VSTOL. However many people were against the CATOBAR design due to potential use in the rough South Atlantic where stormy seas would ground CATOBAR operations but not VSTOL operations. However, due to B variant short-falls relative to A and C, it is now highly likely they will opt for some F-35As as well, which is a good thing because the A is clearly the strongest variant.
     
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    In 2009 British wanted to off load (offered) this useless ship's sister ship (Prince of Wales) to India for $4.5 billion.

    Thank god this didn't happened otherwise IN would have stuck with another Useless carrier (will only work with FAT-35Bs which won't be able to lift required weapons load or have enough range), the first being INS Vikramaditya for which we are stuck with MIG29Ks and we won't find another fighter which can operate from it which will render it useless.
     
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    By not having EMALS/ Ski JUmp the diversity of aircraft type is severely limited. A US carrier can shoot Hornet/ Tomcat/ Growler/ Hawkeye, even a C 130 once landed on it as far as I can remember. QE will majestically roll into an enemy territory at 1 inch per hour and her jets will gently take off like dragonflie off a flower.
     
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    We have ASACS 7 for that but are also looking at further options including Reapers equipped with radar, V-22 with radar or Disc Rotor. But the UK has lots of airbases dotted around in various places for more effective land-based AEW aircraft. But ultimately, it the seas are too rough, you can't take off anything CATOBAR.
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    UK didn't put reactors also because of budget. Like the showy aunt that has a big apartment filled with torn curtains from the 1960s.
     
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    That's Labour, we'd have no military at all if they got their way. It was only ever considered as a result of the 2008 crisis though. Never actually tried sell it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/nov/16/royal-navy-aircraft-carrier-sale
     
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    More to do with being able to sail from anywhere on the planet to any other place without them. Neither Russia's, India's or China's do either and are shorter range.
     
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    British Navy and Govt. midway of the construction got to know this technical shortcomings of F-35c and how both of These carriers would be useless in future wars due to F-35c below par performance and tried to stop construction of second prince of wales ship but due to heavy fine (some say 50% of cost of ship) which would have almost doubled the cost of first ship, they continued with both as in any case they would have to pay almost the same amount for a single ship so they went with both out of which the second was offered to India. IN rightly rejected it as it was sure US would object sale of F-35c and were not convinced of its performance.

    In future these ships will only be able to fly helicopters so at best these are Helicopter carriers.
     
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    It was actually the B's shortcomings not the C but they're not that critical. JSM, 2k JDAM and AARGM won't fit internally but JSOM will and the other weapons can still be carried externally. The B will also be supplemented by the A and Typhoon, flying from any of the bases above with JSM, AARGM or Storm Shadow. The only conceivable need for an all carrier based operation minus US support is a redo of 1982, and we will not internal carry of the aforementioned to defeat them nobbers, furthermore the Falklands itself now enjoys far more protection than in 1982, so it likely won't repeat anyway.

    No, in the future they will field F-35Bs and drones. They also have the potential to run STOBAR operations like the Kuznetsov with the addition of arrester wire. VSTOLs, as well as showing more resilience to bad sea conditions, also offer higher sortie rates. Ultimately two carriers carrying F-35Bs will offer more capable airborne naval firepower than all but one other navy, and they're friendlies.
     
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