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UK's largest ever warship, HMS Queen Elizabeth, sets sail for the first time

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by lca-fan, Jun 29, 2017.

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  1. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor BANNED BANNED

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    That's the BS you're MOD is feeding you. You don't have the money or the tech to do it. Russia had a strategy didn't need carriers but focused on submarines. China consideres itself new to carriers. India didn't have the money or the tech, now that we do our next carrier- INS vishal will have nuclear reactors.

    I think the following is the explanation for QE class

    Showboating military men- We need visible symbol of national power on coean A BIG BIG ship
    scientist- we don't have tech for nuke reactor
    politician- we don't have money for nuke reactor
    geeral- that's ok my boy- americans will give us engine and planes and stuff. We just have to call it 'made in Britain'. A big big ship!
     
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    I think we can get F 35 but who is going to approve the operational cost? And the QE has no length to accommodate a non VSTOL ac, and there are no good VSTOL options available. Plus these useless ships are under powered, their engines are exactly the same as Zumwalt- the power of a 17K ship propelling a 65K ship? Yeah that makes sense.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Just pointing out facts. We have SSNs and SSBNs too. So clearly nuclear tech is not the factor.

    Military Men - It was more like, when could we actually need to operate at sea on our own? Only Falklands. So CATOBAR or VSTOL. CATOBAR ops would be grounded in rough seas, we noted that in 1982. VSTOL then.

    Scientist - Nuclear or Non-nuclear? Nuclear is expensive and poses environmental issues with decommissioning. We can achieve a huge range even without nuclear using 2 huge Rolls-Royce MT30 turbine engines. Let's also give is a state of the art AESA radar capable of detecting and targeting M3.0 tennis balls 200km away. Okay sorted.

    Economic Strategists and Military Men - Should we field a 4th gen or a 5th gen fighter. 5th gen. Let's look into P.125. Oh hang on, the US are doing something and they've offered us buy in. It would be vastly more efficient to take a 10% share of that project and learn on the way.

    Guynextdoor + Other haters - Blahblahblah envy Blahblahblah but we have Tejas and some knocked-off ex-Soviet floating museum pieces.:rofl:
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Err, no Zumwalt only has 95,000hp + electrical generation, QE Class has 96,000hp gas turbines + 4 x 15,600hp diesel engines and again, it's still as fast as Kuznetsov, when Kuznetsov isn't broken down that is. It's only 20m shorter than a Kuznetsov, more than enough space for something with a Typhoon-like TWR to take off from in the future. And it's longer range and with far more sophisticated radar, countermeasures and sensors.

    Show me another carrier outside the USN/MC that can take on a carrier with 40-50 F-35Bs.
     
  5. Guynextdoor

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    oh the horror, the horror. You have been sadly misled @BMD . There should be a mass civil rights protest to form little Engliand to make England great again!


    Zumwalt
    Propulsion:
    QE
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    2 × Rolls-Royce Marine Trent MT30 36 MW (48,000 hp) gas turbine engine
     
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    (a) South Atlantic is less stormy than north Atlantic.

    http://www.wral.com/why-don-t-hurricanes-form-in-the-south-atlantic-/1672862/

    (b) I think, stormy seas would affect VSTOL operations as much as they affect CATOBAR operations.
     
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    To my knowledge most defense computational and communications systems are linux-unix based, proprietary software that are heavily encrypted and impossible to breach. How good can you get with XP? You have got to be kidding me.
     
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    No, majority of systems are window based, with air-gap, encryption, and firewalls used for security. Propriety software is used as operating system for controlling functioning of machinery,which happens automatically; but interface is usually made up of Windows.

    Using Windows based software provide ease of usage,including ease in debugging. For normal users, Linux is safer because less number of hackers are trying to break into Linux, but for military, where concentrated effort is being put for breaking in, Linux is not anymore safer than Windows.

    This short video gives an idea about where windows is used and where propriety softwre is being used.

     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth-class_aircraft_carrier

    Installed power:
    Propulsion:
    Speed: In excess of 30 knots (56 km/h; 35 mph)[10]

    Range: 10,000 nautical miles (19,000 km; 12,000 mi)
    Troops: 250[11] to 900[12]
    Complement: 679 crew, not including air element; total berths for up to 1,600
    Sensors and
    processing systems:
    Armament:
    Aircraft carried:
    Aviation facilities:
    • Large flight deck with ski jump
    • Hangar deck
    • Two aircraft lifts
    Notes: Capable of carrying more than 70 aircraft[15]
     
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    you were talking cr@p. example in post #18 above all projects go over budget and you should know better than anyone.

    as for the nuclear reactor tech.........were producing reactors for the astute and soon the dreadnaught subs too.
    also note the pa2 was a nuclear ship but we prefer conventional powered ships
     
  14. Guynextdoor

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    1) Sub reactor different from carrier reactor
    2) Astute is a piddly 7000 T vessel reactor, you want to power a 65K T surface vessel with it? Good luck.

    post#18 'all orojects go over budget' I really don't know that better than anyone. LCA went 'heavily overbudget' and cost a total of USD 2 billion.
     
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    @BMD thereby proving your primary power plants are similar to Zumwalt's
     
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