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UK's largest ever warship, HMS Queen Elizabeth, sets sail for the first time

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by lca-fan, Jun 29, 2017.

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  1. BMD

    BMD Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Should I? A wise man values his friends. NATO consists of 29 countries that constitute >70% of global military spending.

    When have we ran for help?

    It would be more effective in good weather, ineffective in stormy seas and more expensive. As it is we'll achieve everything the C does using As from land-bases in almost any conceivable scenario.

    I'd say 2 carriers with stealth fighters, 1 heli carrier, 6 very good destroyers, 13 frigates, 6 landing ships, 7 SSNs and 4 SSBNs does complement it.

    The worst F-35 variant is still a supersonic stealth fighter with world-beating sensors and EW and the best AAM in the world. We retook the Falklands with 2 smaller carriers using Harrier jump jets, compared to that 2 QE class with 100 F-35Bs and cruise missile carrying SSNs would be like the necromonger assault in Chronicles of Riddick.
     
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    yawn this carrier+F-35B's is still better than anything sans the USN can produce.
     
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    It's a newish technique called SRVL; Shipborne Rolling Vertical Landing. Basically the jet is configured for a vertical landing, but instead of landing vertically it comes in doing 50-60 knots and an angle of attack of about 10 degrees, with both the rear nozzle and the lift fan's vanebox thrust vectoring thing for the lift fan(http://www.codeonemagazine.com/thumbnail.php?img=media/f_35b_hover_07_1267828237_2761.jpg&size=a)) directing thrust more than 10 degrees rearward to maintain that speed.

    That little extra bit of lift allows them to land with up to 4000lb more fuel and weapons than in a vertical landing. The trade-off is that you need a clear runway in case the pilot needs to do a touch & go for some reason (eg, loss of brakes or maybe a wheel falls off and nobody notices until deck crew see it while its on final approach - in those scenarios you'd drop some weapons or dump some fuel and do a vertical landing). For the USMC, who want to be able to have one jet lined up and ready to launch while another F-35B lands vertically behind it, that's not possible. The HMS Queen Elizabeth has something like double the deck space off a Wasp or America class LHD / LHA though, so it's not an issue for them. The Marines might end up adopting it one day (interchangeably doing SRVLs and VLs depending on sortie rate requirements), but for now it'll just be a British technique.


    PDF (kinda) about SRVL: https://www.scribd.com/document/345...Landing-Information-as-at-19-April-2017-pp155

    F-16.net thread with a bajillion links (some dead - the link above is a copy of the PDF in that first post): http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=20304

    /u/dragon029 credit on reddit.
     
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    No.

    It's better to use diplomacy and then to take actions if things didn't improve. Everyone has the right to debate or to make their point across,but as I said,repeated trolling (or personnal attacks) will lead to a threadban or even a short ban.
     
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    you've seen the guys posts , the git even thinks we can't even make a large nuclear reactor for our carrier. i think we should do a joint anglo-franco surgical strike:cheers::devil:
     
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    I'll second that, at least 3 threads have been closed due to trolling, all at his initiation. At least from this section.
     
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    you can't call poetry trolling. I put a lot more effort into that post than most of you put into your posts.
     
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    But you haven't built a carrier reactor and that happens to be the truth. How is that trolling. Oh! According to you and @BMD things you don't like to hear will be declared trolling.
     
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    yeah but according to them saying that QE has the same power plants as Zumwalt is a personal attack. I didn't realize that the members here were aircraft carriers typing their own defense.
     
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    That's why the USMC will be the first users of the carrier.
     
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    What do you believe is the difference? If we can build a 55,000hp sub-reactor that doesn't even need its fuel rods changing during its life or a coolant pump, why would 3 or 4 of these not be able to power a carrier?
     
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    They might be the first to land planes on it, that much is true but it will still be our carrier.
     
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    That's why I said you don't know much about carrier reactors. Endless generalities abound in these kinds of statements. If it was that simple how come the french had their asses kicked for so many years after the Charles De Gaulle was launched. In general they're better at building submarines than the UK.
     
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    The comment is inaccurate. The Zumwalt has 95,000hp, the QE Class 158,400hp. They do both have a full integrated power system though, which is something few other ships have besides the Type 45.
     
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    I do not know what you're talking about but building a nuclear reactor for a far less space-restricted, air-breathing vessel is easier not harder, the reasons are obvious.
     
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