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UNSC expansion: G-4 nations put joint bid for Security Council expansion.

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  1. TereBinLaden

    TereBinLaden Captain STAR MEMBER

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    G-4 nations put joint bid for Security Council expansion.

    NEW DELHI: India, Japan, Brazil and Germany chose the Indian Republic Day to launch a fresh offensive in the UN for expansion of the Security Council. The G-4, as they are better known, for the first time, put a joint bid for the UN Security Council during a closed plenary session at the UN General Assembly on Thursday, which is headed by Zahir Tanin, the UN ambassador from Afghanistan.

    In a strongly worded statement, the G-4 countries said, "This Council should be expanded in both the permanent and non-permanent categories of membership, taking into consideration the contributions made by countries to the maintenance of international peace and security, as well as the need for increased representation of developing countries in both categories. On numerous occasions, we have reconfirmed our view that Africa should be represented in the permanent membership in an enlarged Council."

    The plenary, which began with the G-4 statement, faced instant opposition from China. China, which has opposed the G-4 bid, and is the guardian angel for the opposers, United for Consensus (earlier known as the Coffee Club). The Chinese delegate called the resolution "divisive" while opposing it.

    The G-4 initiative had lately seemed to have run out of steam, with other considerations triumphing over Security Council reform. But the joint offensive, said sources, is a sign that the energy is back.

    While refusing to talk about the most touchy of subjects, veto power, the G-4 statement focuses on changing the "working methods" of the UN Security Council, as well as the membership. "Our proposal is straightforward. It focuses on two aspects of Security Council reform, on which, according to our outreach, large majorities exist among member states: firstly, that expansion in membership should be in both categories, permanent and non-permanent, and secondly, that the working methods of the Council should be improved. Nothing more, nothing less."

    The four countries observed that there had been limited success to the process till date. Taking the bull by the horns, the G-4 said their initiative was short and realistic. Defending their initiative, the G-4 said, "We believe that our proposal can generate the momentum needed to kick-start real negotiations. Some call this 'piecemeal' or 'cherry-picking'. We call it a realistic and results-driven approach. Let us agree on what most member states agree on and let us then tackle the other issues."

    In the coming weeks, there will be four other resolutions that will be put on the table. A vote is not expected for several days and a lot of heated discussions are about the liven up UN debates.

    G-4 nations put joint bid for Security Council expansion - The Times of India
     
  2. uptotrix

    uptotrix Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    The reform isn't an offensive- it was long overdue, the playing field has changed quite substantially since the days of WW2 and Cold War and those nations with the veto cannot use the same powers to initiate new wars loosely based strange notions and nightmares.
     
  3. Nirvana

    Nirvana Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Reforms are must for efficient functioning of UN , The P5 is and will not be permanent "Powerhouse" of the world !! the scenario has changed

    Germany has done well in Economic front than UK/France , Japan too has did well on economy along India,Brazil

    Even if India gets the seat , our Govt needs to open up to world Politics and needs to lead from front rather than staying Neutral
     
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    GUNS-N- ROSES Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    our foreign policy is too defensive and too "reactive". we are too apologetic about protecting our national interests.

    i dont see security council expanding in near future. china opposes the expansion. france and russia support it. i think the xpansion will only happen wen US desires it.

    currently US will not do it because it might give an indication of US steadily losing it power in world affairs. the ssecurity council will expand wen US needs G-4 to counter china
     
  5. SajeevJino

    SajeevJino Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    India have a good relationship to most of countries. ...

    In history India not evaded other country territory...

    Participating most of the UN peace keeping missions....

    Giving maximum help to other countries if they are in nature disaster..even Pakistan also..

    We are growing faster of world economy and military...

    So India must be a member of UNSC..

    I have.a question..?
    Is India have any way to get VETO power
     
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    GUNS-N- ROSES Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    first of all even if G-4 countries get permanent seat it is my analysis that they will get it withot veto power. after several years they might get veto power. remember only 5 countries in the world have veto power why would these countries want a new member in thair exclusive club.

    secondly, i dont see a reason to our fixation with "veto power". does veto power guarantee progress? no. we should strive to make a better power/country .

    we only need to have a friend in security council to look after our interests (like israel and US).
     
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    India has VETO power, but it is a temporary one.
    only way to get a permanent seat is that India get support from majority of the nations in UN.

    And the proposal is endorsed and not VETO'ed by any of the permanent and Temporary members.
     
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    uptotrix Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    India doesn't have veto in the UN, only 5 countries have such powers- they can take any decisions and no one can question no matter what resolution is passed.

    Number of Vetos

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  9. Manmohan Yadav

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    uh??

    then whats the point in being in the security council ????
     
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    uptotrix Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    They can participate but they don't have the power to reject/modify an UN resolution.
     
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    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    USSR 123 Vetos now thats being a bad ass :lol:
     
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    then we are better off outside the council :to_pick_ones_nose3:
     
  13. uptotrix

    uptotrix Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    What India actually want is more countries into the security council, because the 5 big powers can take any decisions that can affect us in the future, like if they pass a resolution to cap oil supplies?? or a war perhaps?? so we'll simply be watching and doing nothing. But India, Brazil and Japan have proven themselves to be reliable so they deserve a permanent place in the UN.
     
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    well be it oil or war, India wont be any good any way.

    GOI is too timid amongst the greater power like US on oil or war issues,
    the rest of the issues we have done well.
     
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    uptotrix Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    More than 50% of the population will be below the age of 35-40 by 2030, so you might see more active politics by then.
     
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