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Updates on IAF Sukhoi-30 aircraft goes missing in Assam

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Mercury, May 23, 2017.

  1. Mercury

    Mercury 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    NEW DELHI: A Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter aircraft of the Indian Air Force on Tuesday went missing after it lost radar contact in Assam's Tejpur area.

    "The Sukhoi aircraft went missing near Tejpur while on a routine training sortie when it lost contact with radars. Two pilots were on board the plane," a senior IAF official said, while hinting that the jet might have crashed.

    On March 15, a Sukhoi-30 MKI jet had crashed in Shivkar Kudla village in Rajasthan's Barmer district, leaving three villagers injured.

    IAF has lost seven of the 240 Sukhoi-30MKI jets inducted till now. This will be, once confirmed, the eighth crash. As of now, jet is "overdue"

    Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...oes-missing-in-assam/articleshow/58804639.cms
     
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    Blue Marlin 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    why is it that the mki has a high crash rate whilst the su30/sm,mka and the mkm are doing just fine yet based of the mki ?
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Source this comparative rate please.

    As far as I know, you rarely hear of PLAAF aircrafts crashing. Yet they do :)
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    The No 2 squadron is the lone 4th generation fighter squadron[with a full strength squadron] in whole of Eastern Air Command, [India's frontier against Chinese Airforce ] and due to lack of fighters, Indian MKI fly as much as 3 times more flight hours than flankers else where.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Perhaps poor weather coupled to the mountainous terrain? Or sheer bad luck?
     
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    Damn it, I hope the Pilots are safe....
     
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    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    This is really bad news
     
  8. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    More will follow untill eastern air command gets any decent fighters.
     
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    15 march now this Today back to back crashes

    Hope pilot are safe if not it will dent image of MKI as safe platform

    Crashes another tool for Propaganda for foreign funded lobbying.
     
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    Blue Marlin 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    sure chinese jets do crash but when they do they are reported, remember the j10b that crashed which was due to the russain engines
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    i cant imagine china having to many crashes simply because of chinese efficiency, they can built their own j11's and j10 with no issues.

    india on the other hand its always confusing to me, if india builds these planes then why should it crash due to technical failure which has contributed to fair number of mki crashes?

    yet india is more "focused" on china then pakistan, or so you claim, what proof do you have to back up they fly 3 time more. and even still they should be maintained right?
     
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    Firstly, go through this link:

    https://in.rbth.com/blogs/2015/06/04/why_the_indian_air_force_has_a_high_crash_rate_43501

    and as an example of Chinese reporting:

    http://china-defense.blogspot.in/2016/11/chinese-military-aircraft-accidents-jan.html



    Secondly. The issue remains: it is a mountainous and turbulent area in Monsoon season (the trades and the pre-monsoon cross winds play a havoc in the narrow valleys of Himalayas). Anyone who has flown there, even in civil aviation (either as a passenger or as a pilot), will know the tremendous turbulence in the region during this season as the monsoons proceed towards India with variable wind currents. Now extrapolate it to high speed low level flying for training in extremely 'tight' valleys. Errors can happen.

    @vstol jockey your take?
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    For the flight hours , its 250 -300 hours every year, compared to 80-110 hours done in Russian Airforce. The source though cannot be provided here.

    And for the Chinese one, just know that AL31 family is not the most reliable family. And Flankers all around the world , make numerous landings each year with only single engine functioning.

    And if you say that a single AL31 is flying safely... its like saying Burundi Airforce will defeat Royal Airforce in 6 Hours.
     
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    Au contraire, the focus of Indian training is on holding Chinese in the north and defeating Pakistan in the west and then shifting to the Northern Border.

    The first 'trials' were conducted under two exercises: Ex Brasstacks and Ex Chequerboard. Ever since then, it is a regular affair, with the load tables and the logistics being revised yearly as the parameter and datum exists with modification in the overall plan as required and as pertinent.

    IAF regularly conducts long distance and long duration training exercises at unit/sub unit level. Nothing new in it.

    That is why I have to narrate the anecdotal incidence as narrated by the concerned people of an IL-76 MDI of IAF 'evading enemy fighters' by flying into the Grand Canyon during Red Flags. This, an aircraft, with analogue 1980s navigation computer and nothing else to be called as an avionic. You can imagine the aircraft and the layout of the canyon and what 'guts' it must have taken to do this even in an exercise, the skill, you can appreciate if you have flown an IL-76 :)

    Even the power to the engines is given by an "Engineer" and is not in the hands of the pilot "D
     
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    IAF suspects missing Sukhoi Su-30 MKI could be around West Kameng district in Arunachal Pradesh
    IndiaFP StaffMay, 23 2017 16:44:41 IST
    #Arunachal pradesh#Assam#Asswam#China#Iaf#Indianairforce#Newstracker#Sukhoi-30#Sukhoi-30 mk1#Tezpur#Tezpur air force station
    Although defence sources have not confirmed a crash yet, they said that the Sukhoi 30 MKI which went missing on Tuesday could be near Kalaktang in West Kameng district of Arunachal Pradesh at 70°03' N n 92°30' E.

    The aircraft which had taken off from Tezpur air force station at Salonibari in Assam had lost its contact at Narayanpur area in Lakhimpur district of Assam. Two pilots who were onboard the plane are also missing.

    According to CNN-News18, the aircraft went missing around 11 am on Tuesday, 60 kilometres north of Tezpur, near Doulasang area of Arunachal Pradesh, which is a border area adjoining China. The aircraft was on a routine mission.

    Sonitpur superintendent of police Prithipal Singh confirmed to Firstpost that the aircraft has gone missing but did not give further details. Tezpur air force station is located in Assam's Sonitpur district.

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    An IAF Sukhoi SU-30 aircraft. Image courtesy PIB

    The Sukhoi SU-30 is a frontline aircraft and one of the Indian Air Force's prime fighter jets.

    It is important to note, however, that breaking off of radio contacts, and going off-radar is not an unusual occurrence. The IAF has a procedure to wait for an hour and then launch a search operation.

    On 19 May, 2015, a Sukhoi-30 fighter aircraft had crashed at Laokhowa in Nagaon district of Assam with both the pilot and co-pilot ejecting safely.

    The Su-30 fighter aircraft, flying from the Tezpur base on a routine sortie, had lost connection with the radar at the airforce station at around 12.30 pm and crashed thereafter, a defence spokesman said in Tezpur.

    The aircraft had developed a technical problem and the pilot was forced to abandon the aircraft, he said.

    Both the pilots ejected safely and the aircraft crashed at Laokhowa near Tezpur.

    The Sukhoi-30, which is the latest aircraft in the IAF stable of fighter jets, has a reasonably good safety record. In 2011-12, one Sukhoi-30 MK1 crashed, in 2012-13 another one did while in 2013-14 the aircraft saw no accidents. However, there was one more crash in the 2014-15 period.

    In November, then defence minister Manohar Parrikar had informed Lok Sabha that the main reasons for the crashes were human error and technical defect.

    The country also spends a whopping amount in repairs and maintenance of Sukhoi-30.

    According to information given to Rajya Sabha by Parrikar in December 2014, in 2011-12, the IAF had spent Rs 551.35 crore, in 2012-13 it had spent Rs 877.84 while in 2013-14, the exchequer had to bear Rs 834.76 crore for keeping the Sukhoi-30 squadrons in battle-ready conditions.

    The Su-30 aircraft was formally inducted at Air Force Station Tezpur on 23 May, 2006 in a symbolic ceremony presided over by then Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief, Eastern Air Command, Air Marshal SK Bhan. Then Air Commodore TK Nair, Air Officer Commanding, Air Force Station Tezpur and other senior Air Force officers, Army officers and civil dignitaries were also present on the rain-soaked Tezpur airfield on the occasion.

    Tezpur airfield was constructed by the British Royal Indian Air Force in 1942, during Second World War. It subsequently developed into a full-fledged Air Force base in the year 1959. It lies between Bhutan, Tibet, China, Myanmar and Bangladesh. Ever since its inception, it has been one of the most active bases in North-East from where a variety of fixed and rotary wing aircraft have been operating.

    The first aircraft that flew from this base were Vampires and Toofanis. 101 Reconnaissance Squadron with Vampire aircraft and 4 Squadron with Toofanis were the first Squadrons to be located at this base. Subsequently came 29 Sqn (Toofani), 37 Sqn (Hunter), 4 Sqn (MiG-21), 8 Sqn (MiG-21) 28 Sqn (MiG-21), 24 Sqn (Gnats), 110 HU (Mi-4 helicopters), 30 Sqn (MiG-21), MOFTU (MiG Operational Flying Training Unit) with MiG-21s and 115 HU (Cheetah / Chetak helicopters). For the last 25 years this base had been home to the MiG-21 fleet which was used extensively to train rookie pilots for the Indian Air Force, most of whom fondly remember their days spent in Tezpur. In Sep 2007, fighter operations were discontinued at the base to facilitate extensive runway repairs and extension. The work having been completed, the station has formally inducted its first SU-30 MKI aircraft.

    The SU-30 MKI aircraft is a twin cockpit multi- role all-weather, air superiority fighter with air – to – air refueling capability. The aircraft, now being manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (Nasik), was originally designed and developed in Russia. The Sukhoi-30 MKI aircraft was inducted into the Indian Air Force in 1997 and since then, the aircraft has been upgraded to suit IAF requirements.

    The civil air operations that were discontinued in 2007, will resume soon enabling the civil population of this region to travel to other regions of the country by air.


    Published Date: May 23, 2017 03:48 pm | Updated Date: May 23, 2017 04:44 pm

    http://www.firstpost.com/india/iaf-...adesh-search-operations-launched-3472194.html
     
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    Another one goes down.:angry:
     

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