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Updates on IAF Sukhoi-30 aircraft goes missing in Assam

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Mercury, May 23, 2017.

  1. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Neither likely, we can engage even on their side as fixed wings are banned as per treaty and technically Op Meghdoot is an active war till date. Fixed Wing is a warning for us. The An-32 drops in Northern Glacier would make so much racket that we could hear it coming long off.

    01 incident of 02 x Helicopters of PA crossing over due East of Saltoro Kangri and overflying into Indian side over Bila Fond La Glacier occurred while their 'Brass' was on board. We had reacted and readied the Igla but cautioned them as cross overs for MEDEVAC/Emergencies as also 'mistakes' were a norm for both sides and usually ignored even in SITREPs. We hoisted the Tricolor, they acknowledged and 'waved' a thank you and promptly pushed off in the direction we pointed them in.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Chief is not supposed to be flying himself if he does not want to. Anyways, see their Chief running to the LC every alternate day and the fanboys hailing it as leadership :D

    If I was the Chief and I had to stand in trenches at LC everyday, I would have sacked every Aslam, Hanif & Mohammad involved :D
     
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    sunny 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    as for F15, about 2 A class accidents/100000 hour fly time, and F16 about 4 A class accidents/100000 hour fly time, A class accidents: total can't repaired accident or crash
    so all 240 Su-30MKI, if 6000hours lifespan for Su30's body, about 28 or less will be lost during whole service period

    For china's 450 J10, at least 45 will be lost
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Difficult to predict.

    Lot of variables are at play too. IAF has a very high tempo of training sorties and especially in light of reduced number of platforms and perceived threats from North in addition to relative 'active' deployment on West.

    For us, the Chinese movements or lack thereof, remain a critical aspect in our planning and force activation.
     
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    defc0n 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I heard one of their ex-air marshall calling it "Leading from the front" :D
    Even otherwise, his flying is not the point, but flying near LC after denying the thrashing it got from India is pretty hilarious, to say the least. In a way, they acknowledged getting beaten black and blue and kinda said, all we could was do a fly-by :p
     
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    X_Killer Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Wreckage spotted .. Spur of a hill 9000ft .. Unable to reach due bad weather.Today IAF Garud commandos attempting slithering ops at site subject to weather.
    News of both the pilots found is a pathological and mendacious lie , no trace of the pilots
     
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    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Because you are paying too much attention on the comments passed in PDF, without going into the details of the training involved in IAF and the training hours spend by the pilots of IAF. Then you fail to look at the growing illegal settlement around the Air bases due to weak and fragile laws, which brings the birds flocks, and increases the chances of the bird hit, which could not be blamed on the Indian Air force efficiency. Add the weather diversities, and the geographical diversity, from the heavy rain forests to arid desert, from plains to the heights of the Himalayas.

    Analyze it and then make the perception independent of the idiotic comments and theory given by the Pakistani and Chinese in PDF.
     
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    Blue Marlin 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    i remember you from before.

    birk strike and soon drone strike are a factor thats does bring down planes but the mki being twin engined surely there must be a good chance that one engine would have been un touched?

    as for serviceability rates, there are articles from india that do report of india's low mki service ability rates, im sure even you can deny that theres a problem.
    as for adverse weather, if the weather was that bad why did it fly in the first place.

    my question still stands, just look at the Algerian and Malaysian variants, the Malaysian variant being more prominent as Malaysia has a more open media.
     
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    Serviceability Rates Nothing To do with Crashes for Matter In fact Look At Poor serviceability Rate German EF & tornado's

    Or USN F-18s more that half of there Fleet is grounded

    Serviceability Rate MKI is Cited Due to Delay in Spares And logistics usually take 10 months before the Indo-Russian spare parts deal And after Some issues has sorted out it raised from 55 to 65 % in Short time of 2 years

    UAC And HAL Signed Deal to Setup a in-house Facility And Logistic hub To Manufacture Spares For all Russian origin Aircraft in Indian Inventory in this year Serviceability improve further in near future
     
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    NKVD Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    You have To Consider Sheer Number of Aircraft operated By Respective countries Scattered To different bases all over India Managed By single Public sector company
     
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    sangos Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Source? AFAIK the search is still on and target area extended to Bhutan. China says 'no information'. Interesting their spokesman warns us about 'not disturbing peace' in the same breath. They could be lying.
     
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    Blue Marlin 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    they typhoons have an inherit flaw, the logistics. each country as to request parts from the consortium which requests the relevant country for said parts.
    to maintain the fleet at a minimum serviceability rate some aircraft are cannibalised temporary till the parts arrive.

    the f18s take a beating obviously there being used to high hell id assume the french rafale-m's suffer too.

    why is it indian sukhois suffer parts delays whilst other operators have no complaints?

    as fore the hub to manufacture parts......they just signed a piece of paper, it means nothing. theres nothing concrete in it. i welcome you to prove me wrong.
     
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    Blue Marlin 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    id expect india to build there own parts in the first place from the beginning. with 250+ aircraft in your fleet you should be ashamed to yet request parts from russia.
     
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    The news was released by FB page (INDRA NETWORK).
    I personally in touch with one of my friend who is in process of jet search mission. Waiting for firm update.
     
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    India has ability to built it Own Parts but there is Clauses in OEM contract that Prevent Us to Exactly Do that Since It just a Licence Built Aircraft
    And Russia has IPR rights Since its a OEM

    Again You neglected part Where I say Look at the sheer Numbers

    Malaysia has 18 Su MKM To limited Number and easy to operate

    India Actually built 16-18 MKis each year that Equivalently raising a new squadron each year

    there 12 other crashes of Su-30's Other than 8 of India in 20 years of service both Su-30MK/MKI

    Now compare it With Russian Su-27 Its has over 35 + crashes in 32 years of service

    Seeing that india is In Much better position by looking on How much we
    stretch these machines that 250-300 Hours


     

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