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US 100 years friendship plan: More fluff lesser substance

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by BlackOpsIndia, Nov 23, 2017.

  1. BlackOpsIndia

    BlackOpsIndia Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Generally there is a positive sentiment in India about Indo-US relationship more so after Donald Trump came to power, few weeks ago Sec. of State Rex Tillerson pitched for 100 year friendship ties with India. Lets see in past few months and years what actually happened behind the cloud of bullshit gestures, image building and pompous speech.


    On Pakistan:


    This and much more relaxation on terror after Pak supported and trained Taliban killed over 500 civilians, armed forces members. No a middle finger to India's concerns on Pakistan alongside forcing India to place more sanctions on North Korea (whom India has no enmity so far). US concerns are concerns, Indian concerns can go ......... themselves.


    On China:

    • Cat got United States tounge (free speech champions) when China was bullying a smaller neighbour Bhutan and trying to capture their territory. The silence of those hypocrites must be in "How to preach shamelessly to world".
    • Bending over backward on Xi visit to US, meanwhile secretly telling India to stand against China.
    • Visiting China before India and heaping praises on revered Xi.
    • No action, nothing just scared speeches and chest thumping while China made mockery of international law and created artificial islands. Best those brave warriors could come up with was to go within 12 miles of artificial islands once in many months with full flotilla, coining an equally pompous word for it "Freedom of Navigation Operation". (which was perfectly legal for any country)
    • After China militarize those islands and US found themselves in fixed forced India to include Freedom of Navigation in almost all bilateral statements, even when India has no major stake in it.
    • The great warriors are now looking to insert more allies in bilateral exercise Malabar exercise, so as to present it as anti China front and privately China they are not enemy India, Japan, Australia are!
    • Not just US kept mum again on OBOR violating sovereignty of others, they even participated in the OBOR conference like good obedient kid.

    But hey not everything is lost on Chinese front though, you can see US officials criticize China's unfair trade practices, stealing defence secrets, cyber attacks, currency manipulation, via anonymous press comments, one of those comment sinked the latest type 095 submarine.


    On Afghanistan:

    • Need 5000 Indian troops, for what? why? was it India's war? Bush and Mush were buddies, India was pariah for them, they helped Pakistan and still doing it, why do India jump into it? So as to suffer more casualties from Pakistan sponsored and funded by US? Defies logic, but hey this USA, talking logic is not the best thing to do.
    • Need "more economic assistance" from India as they "make" billions from US. There is great difference between trade and profit earned, even then it is not some charity money from US, they pay for "services rendered". Charity is when they release billion $ aid to Pakistan.
    • The confused policy of enabling Pakistan who support and train Taliban and fighting the same Taliban is an epic example, how to never win a war, but need more military assistance from India.

    On Climate Change:

    • USA is the biggest polluter in world, carbon emission from US is 3 times more than a billion plus population of India yet the new President have the audacity to blame India and other countries for it.
    • US destroyed this planet for over a 100 years by using cheaper fuel source like coal, now when the planet is in critical condition they want every developing (read India), poor country who cant afford those expensive fuel sources to switch from coal. Even it is unfair and we end up paying more the most India asked for is the access to technology but they put a heavy price on it too. So its like we will destroy this planet for our gain and when it is critical we will make more money asking to repair it.

    On India's NSG and UNSC bid:

    • Literally no support beside a formal statement for India's bid for NSG, even after India is paying heavy price to be in climate deal yet no support just bullshit gestures from world's biggest polluters both US and China.
    • UNSC permanent bid is supported in public but when actual voting on reforms happens, US, just like a perfect chameleon changes colour and sabotage it and not just that, they even belittle our bid by offering "no veto" only status, so much for equality, representation, inclusion, progressive peoples.
    • No effort on declaring Masood Azhar a global terrorist in UNSC, letting another UNSC member to stall whole UN.
    • Not to mention the recent lobbying against Indian ICJ judge nominee by the 100 year friend.

    On Defence:

    • Lesser I say the better, the forum is full of lies, betrayal on defence deals, tech transfers, DTTI etc. We even got a formal threat from one of the most pro Indian senator Lary Pressler about not angering the "Octopus" and just sign the deals.


    These are few instances I can recall in past 1 year or so, there are many more but thread will be too long to type. I am not saying there are no positives with US, but most of them are photo ops, image building only, pure fluff, statements that has no meaning on ground.

    What's more disturbing is our PM cowering down to Trump, he stood upto Obama but this hypersensitivity to demands of that clown looks almost sycophancy, he use to play with world's statesmen but this time it looks like he is getting bullied, played.

    Disclaimer: I use to be strong supporter of stronger defence ties with US, I still am but these are the U turns, backstabbing in just 1 year or so making US look like very unreliable no matter what, its just my take, please be free to counter or support. Thanks


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    PARIKRAMA Captain IDF NewBie

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    The fact is USA cares more of business relationship and wishes at every place to hold the upper hand in deals..

    Unfortunately our planners do believe a poisonous cobra is better to be kept in our bag and feels it cannot bite us and even if it did, we have enough safeguards to use that poison's effect as a medicine instead of paralysis and death..

    But the safeguard needs to be demonstrated for example with cooperation and joint development with other nations like France to be effective...

    Atm just to catch the cobra and keep it in the bag, we are doing nothing for the safeguard mechanism.. and thats highly risky..
     
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    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    For both Russia and the US, it is China that is interesting for them so they will make their policies China centric. Everything else is an after-thought.
     
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    But why to be near that cobra if we saw the true colours of it? We survived long without being close to that cobra, I think letting that cobra in house will definitely create more problems than staying away from it. Its just defence deals today, tomorrow they will influence election with much more power than today to place there cronies in power.

    Was it just a coincidence that Goa favorite BJP went just short of few seats and some tom dick and harry party played important role! I feel it highly doubtful that a MLA from a small state can dictate to govt. of India to release the defence minister for chief minister. With Parikar we had an airshow that showcased lot of indigenous planes, prototypes, ideas now suddenly after him every project is failing! This cant be coincidence, NS or Jaitley both are acting as a puppet to fulfil wish of one lobby or other, what a downer that woman had been.

    I dont think US can hurt us too much if kept at bay, for that to happen they need to do it overtly, exposing themselves, getting retaliation due to public pressure, however if we let them in, they will own us. Its like a termite, we will be done before we know what hit us. See how "main desh nahi jhukne dunga PM" is preparing for Queen Ivanka trip! This is turning into a shameful sycophant show.
     

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