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US CAN SELL FREEDOM AND LIBERTY, CAN RUSSIA/CHINA SELL TYRANNY AND OPPRESSION

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by Averageamerican, Mar 29, 2014.

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  1. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The US with its vast Media Empire can sell Freedom and Liberty, but China/Russia can only sell tyranny and oppression. Wonder whos going to win that war.

     
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    in either way anyone who crosses US/EU or RU/CN have to pay the price
     
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    U.S. can sell fake lies called freedom and liberty i don't about russia but anybody who buys into that crap is mentally retarded
     
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    Then why you people bark & bark on countries acquireing A bomb?? slap sanctions & the one country which you should have stopped from getting the bomb at any cost is Pakistan but you let them under your nose , hence they exported the tech to N Korea & many middleeast country and more over your blood brothers Taliban might take over those Nukes

    Is this selling freedom?? Russia does not barks on some one getting nukes & China was upset only when India got it they don't bothere about others

    So please stop this cheap drama , ULLU MATH BANAAVV
     
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    US, CN and RU are the biggest threat to world peace. They are ready to sell their deadly toys to anyone for their own gain.
     
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    India-Pakistan Nuclear War Would Kill 2 Billion People, End Civilization: Report
    By Palash Ghosh@Gooch700 on December 10 2013 2:07 PM
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    Pakistani missile capable of carrying nuclear warhead Reuters
    A nuclear war between South Asian rivals India and Pakistan would trigger a global famine that would immediately kill 2 billion people around the world and spell the “end of human civilization,” according to a study by an anti-nuclear group. The International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War and Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR) also warned that even a limited nuclear conflict between India and Pakistan would destroy crop yields, damage the atmosphere and throw global food markets into chaos. China, the world’s most populous country, would face a catastrophic food shortage that would lead to enormous social convulsions.
    “A billion people dead in the developing world is obviously a catastrophe unparalleled in human history,” said Ira Helfand, co-president of PSR and the study's lead author. “But then if you add to that the possibility of another 1.3 billion people in China being at risk, we are entering something that is clearly the end of civilization.” Helfand explained that China’s destruction would be caused by longstanding tensions between its neighbors, India and Pakistan, two enemies that have already fought three wars since 1947. Moreover, given the apocalyptic power of contemporary nuclear weapons – which are far more powerful than the atomic bombs dropped on Japan in 1945 – the impact of an India-Pakistan war would be felt across the globe.
    “With a large war between the United States and Russia, we are talking about the possible, not certain, but possible, extinction of the human race,” Helfand said, according to Agence France Presse. “In this kind of war, biologically there are going to be people surviving somewhere on the planet, but the chaos that would result from this [South Asian nuclear war] will dwarf anything we've ever seen.”
    Specifically, the study noted, a nuclear war in South Asia would release black carbon aerosol particles that would cut U.S. corn and soybean production by 10 percent over a decade. Those particles would also reduce Chinese rice production by an average of 21 percent over a four-year period and by another 10 percent over the subsequent six years. Even more devastating, China’s wheat crop would drop by 50 percent in just the first year after the hypothetical Indo-Pak nuclear war.
    CNN reported that there are at least 17,000 nuclear warheads (other reports suggest that there are perhaps as many as 20,000) around the world, which present a far greater threat than the current obsession with Iran’s nascent atomic program. Most of these warheads are currently owned by the United States and Russia, while India and Pakistan are believed to have “only” about 100 warheads each.
    But given the state of endless enmity between India and Pakistan, they are more likely to launch a nuclear war than the superpowers who possess far more and far deadlier nuclear weapons. Helfand told CNN that in an India-Pakistan nuclear war scenario, more than 20 million people would be dead within one week from the explosions, firestorms and immediate effects of radiation. “But the global consequences would be far worse,” he said.
    Indeed, the firestorms produced by this imaginary South Asian war “would loft 5 million tons of soot high into the atmosphere, blocking out sunlight and dropping temperatures across the planet. This climate disruption would cause a sharp, worldwide decline in food production.” The subsequent global famine would place the lives of 870 million people in the developing world at immediate risk of starvation.
    On the brighter side, Helfand indicated, a movement to ban atomic weapons is gathering storm. Helfand called for the removal of all nuclear weapons as the only way to avoid Armageddon. “This is a disaster so massive in scale that really no preparation is possible. We must prevent this,” he said.
    In May of last year, 17 nations issued a joint statement warning of the humanitarian impact of nuclear weapons and advocated for their elimination. By the fall of 2013, 125 nations attached themselves to the statement. “The international community should continue to take practical steps to prevent additional countries from acquiring nuclear weapons,” Helfand said. “But this effort to prevent proliferation must be matched by real progress to eliminate the far greater danger posed by the vast arsenals that already exist. Simply put, the only way to eliminate the threat of nuclear war or risk of an accidental launch or mishap is to eliminate nuclear weapons.”
    “A billion people dead in the developing world is obviously a catastrophe unparalleled in human history,” said Ira Helfand, co-president of PSR and the study's lead author. “But then if you add to that the possibility of another 1.3 billion people in China being at risk, we are entering something that is clearly the end of civilization.” Helfand explained that China’s destruction would be caused by longstanding tensions between its neighbors, India and Pakistan, two enemies that have already fought three wars since 1947. Moreover, given the apocalyptic power of contemporary nuclear weapons – which are far more powerful than the atomic bombs dropped on Japan in 1945 – the impact of an India-Pakistan war would be felt across the globe.
    “With a large war between the United States and Russia, we are talking about the possible, not certain, but possible, extinction of the human race,” Helfand said, according to Agence France Presse. “In this kind of war, biologically there are going to be people surviving somewhere on the planet, but the chaos that would result from this [South Asian nuclear war] will dwarf anything we've ever seen.”
    Specifically, the study noted, a nuclear war in South Asia would release black carbon aerosol particles that would cut U.S. corn and soybean production by 10 percent over a decade. Those particles would also reduce Chinese rice production by an average of 21 percent over a four-year period and by another 10 percent over the subsequent six years. Even more devastating, China’s wheat crop would drop by 50 percent in just the first year after the hypothetical Indo-Pak nuclear war.
    CNN reported that there are at least 17,000 nuclear warheads (other reports suggest that there are perhaps as many as 20,000) around the world, which present a far greater threat than the current obsession with Iran’s nascent atomic program. Most of these warheads are currently owned by the United States and Russia, while India and Pakistan are believed to have “only” about 100 warheads each.
    But given the state of endless enmity between India and Pakistan, they are more likely to launch a nuclear war than the superpowers who possess far more and far deadlier nuclear weapons. Helfand told CNN that in an India-Pakistan nuclear war scenario, more than 20 million people would be dead within one week from the explosions, firestorms and immediate effects of radiation. “But the global consequences would be far worse,” he said.
    Indeed, the firestorms produced by this imaginary South Asian war “would loft 5 million tons of soot high into the atmosphere, blocking out sunlight and dropping temperatures across the planet. This climate disruption would cause a sharp, worldwide decline in food production.” The subsequent global famine would place the lives of 870 million people in the developing world at immediate risk of starvation.
    On the brighter side, Helfand indicated, a movement to ban atomic weapons is gathering storm. Helfand called for the removal of all nuclear weapons as the only way to avoid Armageddon. “This is a disaster so massive in scale that really no preparation is possible. We must prevent this,” he said.
    In May of last year, 17 nations issued a joint statement warning of the humanitarian impact of nuclear weapons and advocated for their elimination. By the fall of 2013, 125 nations attached themselves to the statement. “The international community should continue to take practical steps to prevent additional countries from acquiring nuclear weapons,” Helfand said. “But this effort to prevent proliferation must be matched by real progress to eliminate the far greater danger posed by the vast arsenals that already exist. Simply put, the only way to eliminate the threat of nuclear war or risk of an accidental launch or mishap is to eliminate nuclear weapons.”
     
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    If India had not developed nuclear weapons, neither would have Pakistan.
     
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    US can afford to be more sophisticated in how it projects power because it's not as constrained by resources, given its much larger economy.

    Because the US is the most powerful nation today, the goals of US foreign policy are respectively different than other powers looking to expand their influence. The US is less invested in growing its hegemony and more in preserving the status quo where it remains unchallenged.

    That means maintaining the balance of power between rivals in the rest of the world. If nations in every subcontinent keep one another's influence "in check", there is less risk of a new superpower arising in Eurasia that can one day grow large enough challenge the US the way the soviet empire did.

    Also, I don't want to be overly cynical. Of course the US is looking to protect its interests. But I think many Americans see their nation as the necessary defender of ethical governance in the world, and I think this idea does influence their strategic thinking to some significant degree.
     
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    Lets see if Russia can sell 8 percent inflation and negative growth to the Russian people for the next few years.


    Obama" quote" All told, the United States has put more people back to work than Europe, Japan, and every other advanced economy combined. I want you to think about that. We have put more people back to work, here in America, than Europe, Japan, and every other advanced economy combined.

    Obama on the Economy at Northwestern University, Video - Kansas City infoZine

     
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    US is the one who is responsible for the Pakistani nukes... They did not stop pakistan during the 1990... Because of dere soviet interests
     
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    Nuclear program
    start date1967
    First nuclear
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    First fusion
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    11 May 1998
     
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    Nuclear program start date20 January 1972
    First nuclear weapon test28 May 1998 (Chagai-I)[1]
    First fusion weapon testN/A[2][3]
    Last nuclear test30 May 1998 (Chagai-II)
     
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    we have singed no first use policy.. we are more responsible than US
     
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