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US helos kill 30 Haqqani Network fighters in strikes in Pakistan

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  1. Dilemma

    Dilemma Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    US helos kill 30 Haqqani Network fighters in strikes in Pakistan
    By BILL ROGGIOSeptember 26, 2010

    US attack helicopters have killed more than 30 Haqqani Network fighters inside Pakistan while repelling a cross-border attack.

    US forces struck at the Haqqani Network fighters on Friday after they attacked Combat Outpost Narizah, an Afghan base just eight miles from the Pakistani border in the district of Tani in Khost province.

    The Haqqani Network fighters were hit in the Taliban-controlled tribal agency of North Waziristan, which is just across the Pakistani border.

    "An air weapons team in the area observed the enemy fire, and following International Security Assistance Force rules of engagement, crossed into the area of enemy fire," the International Security Assistance Force stated in a press release. "The ISAF aircraft then engaged, killing more than 30 insurgents."

    ISAF confirmed that the helicopters struck at the Haqqani Network fighters in Pakistan. The attack helicopters launched their attack "after following the proper rules of engagement under inherent right of self defense," Master Sergeant Matthew Summers, a public affairs official, told The Long War Journal.

    On Saturday, ISAF launched a second attack against the Haqqani Network, after taking fire in the border area. "Several additional insurgents" were killed in that attack.

    No civilians have been reported killed or injured in either of the attacks.

    The assault on Combat Outpost Narizah is the sixth against outposts in eastern Afghanistan since the end of August. [For more information on recent Haqqani Network attacks on US and Afghan bases, see LWJ report, US, Afghan forces defeat Haqqani Network suicide assault on FOB Gardez.]

    The Haqqani Network is based in the Miramshah region in North Waziristan, and has close ties to al Qaeda and other Pakistani and Central Asian terror groups. The Pakistani government refuses to deal with the Haqqani Network, and has resisted US pressure to carry out an operation to defeat the group. [For more information on the Haqqani Network, its links to al Qaeda, and ISAF operations targeting its leadership, see LWJ report, US troops defeat Haqqani Network assault on base in Khost.]

    Hot pursuit

    ISAF forces are permitted to pursue Taliban forces across the border if they are engaged in fighting or are under attack. The US and Pakistan have agreed to a set of rules for hot pursuit: US forces must be engaged with the Taliban or al Qaeda as they cross into Pakistan; US forces should not penetrate more than six miles into Pakistani territory; and US forces may enter Pakistan if they have identified the location of Osama bin Laden, Ayman al Zawahri, or Mullah Omar. Pakistan has denied that the agreement exists, and the US military will not comment.

    The US has pursued Taliban fighters across the border multiple times. Two of the most high-profile incidents occurred in 2008. The first took place in June 2008, when US troops pursued a Taliban force from Kunar into Pakistan's tribal agency of Mohmand, and killed 11 fighters. The Pakistani government claimed that the US killed Frontier Corps troops, but the US released video of the incident showing the Taliban being targeted as they fled from Kunar into Mohmand. Pakistan's paramilitary Frontier Corps is known to support the Taliban in Afghanistan.

    The second incident took place in Khyber in November 2008, when US forces launched rocket attacks and ground strikes into the Tirah Valley, a known haven for al Qaeda, the Taliban, and the Lashkar-e-Islam. Seven people were reported killed and three were wounded in the strikes.

    The US also launches covert airstrikes using unmanned Predators and Reapers against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Pakistan's tribal areas. The Pakistani government officially protests the covert strikes but quietly approves.

    US helos kill 30 Haqqani Network fighters in strikes in Pakistan - The Long War Journal
     
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    Dilemma Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    First, it was rumored that only Spec Op soldiers were based inside Pakistan. Now, even regular units have begun targeting them inside Pakistan.
    Pakistan's sovereignty has just been tossed out of the window.
     
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    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    When you go far as leasing out you air bases for the sake of external help and become a client state your sovereignty gets the boot...
     
  4. abc

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    It's common sense guys, if the taliban come from the territory of paksitan and target gov of afghanistan, the civilians, and nato, it is perfectly legitimate for the nato to go after them in their hideouts in paksitani territory.
     
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    yes its absolutely justifiable. but if i was a pakistani i would have felt shame on myself for this.
     
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    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Not shame, Rage would be the better word
     
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    i dont know what our pakistani memebers would react to this.
     
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    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    Tell me something. If the americans dilute their presence, what is the real possibility of a relapse to ?xtremist governement. I mean, will a democratic set up survive so that people attempt a clean up later on or will it be a collapse to militant elements?
     
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    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    DUde I have no doubts that there are backdoor deals. All this 'sovereignty' problems come only when India is involved. Now to defeat us, any extent is possible. But if t's chinese, then give off territory, no problem. Americans, le them have drone attacks no problem. But if it is India- big big problem.
     
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    true. afterall any country, having an iota of self dignity wont allow foreigners to kill their people in their own land using their own bases.
     
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    BBC News - Pakistan anger at Nato-led cross-border raids
     
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    Rebuke from Islamabad after NATO airstrikes kill 55 on Pakistani soil

    JALALABAD, AFGHANISTAN - The Pakistani government on Monday strongly condemned a pair of NATO airstrikes on Pakistani soil that NATO officials said killed about 55 suspected insurgents over the weekend.

    "These incidents are a clear violation and breach of the U.N. mandate" that governs the conduct of the U.S.-led international force in Afghanistan, the Pakistani Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

    The airstrikes, which military officials said were carried out to beat back an attack on a small Afghan army border outpost, come amid what Pakistani officials describe as a sharp rise in suspected CIA drone attacks targeting Taliban sanctuaries in Pakistan.

    Although NATO troops have occasionally crossed into Pakistan while pursuing militants, this weekend's operation was unusual for the high death toll and the sharp rebuke from Islamabad.

    The incident will probably exacerbate tensions between the U.S-led international force in Afghanistan and Pakistan, which Washington sees as a crucial, if sometimes unreliable, partner in the war in Afghanistan.

    Maj. Michael Johnson, a NATO spokesman, said NATO helicopters entered Pakistani airspace after Combat Outpost Narizah in Khost province came under attack Friday.

    He said 49 suspected insurgents were killed in the initial engagement.

    A second team of attack helicopters was dispatched to the location Saturday morning to relieve the initial team, Johnson said. Pilots from the second crew opened fire after they came under attack from fighters on the ground, Johnson said. He said an "additional four to six" suspected insurgents were killed in the second airstrike.

    "The rules of engagement were followed," Johnson said. "They were acting in self-defense."

    Johnson said NATO has not received reports suggesting that civilians may have been caught in the fire.

    A U.S. military official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, downplayed the prospect of heightened tensions over the raid. "We've enjoyed greater cooperation with the Pakistanis, and it gets consistently better all the time," the official said.

    U.S. officials said the uptick in Predator attacks has been driven by improved intelligence on an insurgent group known as the Haqqani network, rather than a coordinated CIA-military effort to expand operations on either side of the border. "Our operational tempo has been up for a while now," the official said.

    washingtonpost.com
     
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    Funny isn't it ............ Pakistan is the only ally that US regularly bombs and still they lick Unkil's bottoms. What a joke of a country .......... LOL
     
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    U.S. defends Pakistan incursion as self-defense'

    KABUL, Afghanistan -- Pakistan protested angrily Monday after the U.S.-led international force in Afghanistan confirmed that its helicopters staged cross-border air strikes last week against Pakistan-based Afghan militants "in self-defense."

    Islamabad's sharp reaction to the helicopter strikes Saturday came despite a long-standing understanding that allows the U.S.-led International Security Assistance Force to pursue militants who attack Afghanistan from bases in Pakistan's rugged tribal territory.

    ISAF usually informs the Pakistani military of any such incursion, but "in this instance, there was no coordination until after, because of the imminent danger to the troops," said a U.S. defense official, who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue. "This goes to the inherent right of self-defense."

    In a related development, U.S. Army Gen. David Petraeus, the top commander of coalition forces, said that U.S.-backed Afghan President Hamid Karzai had received overtures from senior Taliban leaders responding to his initiative to open peace negotiations.

    "There are very high-level Taliban leaders who have sought to reach out to the highest levels of the Afghan government, and they have done that," Petraeus told reporters after a tour of a detention facility for suspected insurgents at Bagram, the largest U.S. base in Afghanistan.

    Afghan government officials, however, said the Taliban officials aren't senior leaders.

    The Pakistani protest appeared to be intended mostly for a domestic audience that deeply opposes U.S. attacks on insurgent strongholds on the Pakistani side of the border as violations of its country's sovereignty.

    The ISAF airstrikes Saturday were "a clear violation and breach of the U.N. mandate under which ISAF operates," Pakistani Foreign Ministry spokesman Abdul Basit said in a statement. "In the absence of immediate corrective measures, Pakistan will be constrained to consider response options."

    Pakistan lodged an official protest with ISAF, he said.

    Basit didn't elaborate on what "corrective" steps Pakistan was seeking or what responses it would consider if those steps weren't taken.

    The first cross-border air strike occurred after "a significant number" of insurgents launched an attack from Pakistani territory on a remote Afghan National Army base just inside Afghanistan's eastern Khost province, ISAF said in its statement.

    ISAF helicopter gunships monitoring the assault on Combat Outpost Narizah crossed into the North Waziristan area in pursuit of the militants, killing more than 30, ISAF said.

    Additional helicopters arrived to assess the situation "and received small arms fire again. The aircraft returned fire, resulting in additional insurgents killed," the statement said. "At no time during the engagement did ground forces cross into Pakistani territory."

    ISAF said that the helicopters acted in conformity with the force's "rules of engagement."

    Abdul Hakim Ishaqzai, the Khost provincial police chief, said by telephone that between 60 and 70 militants died in the helicopter strikes.


    Read more: U.S. defends Pakistan incursion as self-defense' - World AP - MiamiHerald.com
     
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    If the americans pull out prematurely, there will be devastation, anarchy, civil war etc. I just hope that they dont it. The only people who would love the american withdraw from Afghanistan willl be pakistanis.
     
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