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US sets deadline for NATO allies' defense spending plans

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by layman, Mar 31, 2017.

  1. layman

    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    US sets deadline for NATO allies' defense spending plans
    By: Lorne Cook, The Associated Press, March 31, 2017 (Photo Credit: Virginia Mayo/AP)
    BRUSSELS — U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson warned NATO allies Friday to boost defense spending or come up with plans to reach the alliance's budget guidelines within two months.

    Tillerson, in his first talks with NATO counterparts in Brussels, said that Washington is spending a "disproportionate share" on defense compared with its 27 partners, and that he expects action by the time President Donald Trump meets with other alliance leaders on May 25.

    NATO leaders pledged in 2014 to halt defense spending cuts and move toward a guideline target of 2 percent of gross domestic product within a decade. Only four other nations currently meet the target: Britain, Estonia, Greece and Poland.

    "Our goal should be to agree at the May leaders meeting that by the end of the year all allies will have either met the pledge guidelines or will have developed plans that clearly articulate how, with annual milestone progress commitments, the pledge will be fulfilled," Tillerson told the ministers.

    Tillerson did not say what would happen if European allies and Canada fail to respect their pledges. During election campaigning, Trump suggested that he might not come to the defense of those allies who do not do their fair share, rocking allies near Russia, such as Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland.

    However, Tillerson sought to calm any fears, saying Friday that "we understand that a threat against one of us is a threat against all of us, and we will respond accordingly. We will uphold the agreements we have made to defend our allies."

    The United States is by far NATO's most powerful ally. It spends more on defense than all the others combined: 3.61 percent of GDP in 2016, according to NATO estimates; although U.S. spending, too, has tapered off in recent years.

    Germany spent 1.19 percent of its overall budget on defense last year.

    But German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel said it would be "unrealistic" for his country to hike spending from €35 billion (U.S. $37 billion) a year to more than €70 billion, which would see Berlin allocate more to defense than Russia currently.

    "I don't know a politician in Germany who believes that this would be achievable or even desirable," Gabriel said.

    He said security is also about crisis prevention, not just combat, and noted that Germany spends a lot of money on refugees who arrive because military interventions have failed.

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    Seven countries — including Canada, Italy and Spain — would have to virtually double their spending to reach the target.

    Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said that beyond money, "it's also really important to look at capabilities and what countries are actually doing."

    "We really feel that we're doing our share," she said, highlighting Canada's troop deployment to Latvia to help deter Russian aggression.

    Tillerson also urged NATO to do more to fight the Islamic State group and other extremists, notably by countering ISIS online messaging and propaganda.

    NATO has fought insurgents in Afghanistan, and is training Iraqi officers so that local forces can make a strong stand against militants. There is no appetite to deploy troops in counterterrorism operations. Allies believe that the international coalition against ISIS should be leading combat operations, not NATO.

    NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said the lesson learned from operations in Afghanistan, but also in Kosovo and Bosnia-Herzegovina, is that "in the long run it is much better to fight terrorism and project stability by training local forces, building local security institutions, instead of NATO deploying a large number of combat troops."

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  2. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Pretty ugly way to corner all of NATO's defence markets.
     
  3. layman

    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    My question is why should US do all the heavy lifting. NATO members has to think what is costing their security.
    Else Why NATO.
     
  4. Himanshu Pandey

    Himanshu Pandey Don't get mad, get even. STAR MEMBER

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    ah! first US wanted thier camps in all nato nations and offer to protect them and now weeping that it is costly... if you want a house in every country even if you are not going to live there... don'[t cry on cost..

    a joint defence means sharing the capabilities and that means less defence budget.. now if US is spending crazy to make its MIC happy... it shouldn't ask same from its allies..

    if USA want it.. they just need to pack and call there troops back from all those dozens of nations and let them defend themselves... most of USA defence spending is to fill the ego rather then serious need.. why they want military camps in germany, france, UK and every european nation.. and then they want thier NATO allies to join their human hunting war games in ME and africa... because they want all the oil and resources for themselves to create the money to buy more weapons to kill more humans..

    quite crazy and stupid it is...
     
  5. WhyCry

    WhyCry Reaper Love Developers -IT and R&D

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    Its time the big brother of EU (Germany) puts its money where their mouth is. Again virtually and literally :basketball:
     
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  6. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Whether NATO does part of the heavy lifting or not, victory or defeat is dependent on America's performance.

    The only way for NATO to do anything good by themselves is if they unify their command structure, decision making and budget. Or else they won't get anywhere.

    NATO was completely useless against the Soviets in both conventional and unconventional capabilities. And now it's become even more useless. And NATO countries recognize that.
     
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  7. Vergennes

    Vergennes Strategist Staff Member MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    In fact,the US is asking NATO members to increase their spendings,so that the Europeans buy more US military equipments. Who's going to benefit from this ? The US military industry.

    Spending more and very quickly = Buying what is available on the market,with a good quality/price value,combat proven,tested on the field,guaranteed and above all.... compatible with others = Buying US. America first....

    A French MEP said "If what we are asked is to sign more contracts with the US military industry,better to say it frankly".
     
  8. layman

    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    Let NATO die by itself. Better option is EU to form its own union to defend in case. That would be a much better option.
    between it is a drag to economy than them buying more US weapons. US would lose its edge, US would always maintain its tech superiority no matter what. US needs to get some priorities right cant meddle in everyone's business and say it is a burden
     
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  9. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    It's even better than that.

    Greece: We can't afford 2%.

    US: Okay, buy 2 squadrons of F-35 and we will look the other way.
     
  10. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Headlines::
    Trump to Seek $54 Billion Increase in Military Spending
    Leer en español
    By MICHAEL D. SHEAR and JENNIFER STEINHAUERFEB. 27, 2017 M

    More Headlines::
    Russia Cuts Military Budget By 25% To US$65 Billion
    by defencenews · March 18, 2017


    Russian Federal Treasury released figures have confirmed that the nation’s defense budget has been cut by 25.5% for 2017, falling from RUB3.8 trillion (USD65.4 billion) to RUB2.8 trillion.

    On top of 5% cut in 2016
     
  11. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    MOSCOW, November 18. /TASS/.
    The volume of arms purchases that is recorded in the Russian budget for 2017-2019 years is not cut, which will ensure the modernization of the Armed Forces, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov said speaking at the plenary session of the State Duma (lower house of parliament)

    More:
    http://tass.com/economy/913254

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  12. BMD

    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Ironic that of all NATO members, the most heavily indebted nation is spending the second highest. Meanwhile Germany clearly not pulling its weight - now you know why Typhoon development takes so long, look at Germany, Italy and Spain.
     

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