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War clouds over India

Discussion in 'World Economy' started by ArmChairGeneral, Sep 7, 2013.

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  1. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The only way India could win a war with China is with USAs help. Otherwise your screwed.
     
  2. Gold1010

    Gold1010 FULL MEMBER

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    China wouldn't go to war with India for decades, it risks losing all the economic gains it has made. Something serious would have to happen to trigger a war with a growing power like India.

    The U.S. power might be waning elsewhere but it is increasing in the Pacific/indian ocean an example is the Marines recently being based in Australia.

    I'm not sure what kind true Allies India has, but you think the commonwealth would be willing to assist India due to India's contribution to the world wars.
     
  3. ArmChairGeneral

    ArmChairGeneral Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    I do not think so. The Chinese are very good at executing to a long term plan. They have calculated that this is the best time to attack India. US is struggling with economy. Europe is struggling with economy. Middle-east is on the boil.

    Australia does not matter as far as India/China situation is concerned.
     
  4. ArmChairGeneral

    ArmChairGeneral Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Winning a war with China is too big a deal. The reasonable objective is to hold off China and do so without breakup of India.

    I write these posts as a lot of Indians are deluded by 'supposed military strength of India'. It is disgusting that neither GOI nor Army have taken any steps in the last 9 years to fix serious gaps in capability. Congress has ruled 80% of the time in this country, and has always neglected the genuine defence needs. It is Congress who has bought junk from the Soviet Union, which army is saddled with till this day. The tanks and IFVs of poor design and manufacture are not going to deliver this country in war.

    The guns have not been bought for a LONG time. All equipment degrades with time. Soviets did not build their equipment to last. The metals corrode and develop creep. Take the example of misfiring in T-72 tanks. Some of these tanks were made in early eighties and I can bet the barrels must be having corrosion and metal fatigue.

    The tanks and IFVs are lined up in the OPEN subject to effects of the weather. Dust gets into equipment in addition to rust. Indian army is not known for good upkeep of its equipment.

    The last wars were fought with NEW equipment. It won't be the case this time.

    Our enemies know our foolishness. A country invites a war. No country will attack you if you are strong.
     
  5. ArmChairGeneral

    ArmChairGeneral Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Even more worrying is that posters on forums believe that strategic missiles like 'Agni' will save this country from war.

    'Agni' represents a deterrence capability, not a war-fighting capability. However our political establishment does not have the guts to deploy missiles against China. All we hear are statements, which are without action on the ground.

    While China has deployed plenty of tactical battlefield missiles in Tibet, India has zero missiles in Assam.

    The army establishments in Assam are at the mercy of China.
     
  6. ArmChairGeneral

    ArmChairGeneral Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    India mistakenly believes that China would not act militarily against India. The fact is China has always been acting militarily against India.

    The takeover by Maoists in Nepal is the biggest military challenge China has thrown at India. India simply ignores the problem, as nothing has happened.

    People forget that Indian army will be needed to fight in Bhutan if there is war. Bhutan is an Indian protectorate for all practical purposes. We have the most difficult border with China.

    IAF needs to overfly Nepal if it has to attack Chinese bases. Logically Nepal should have been India's protectorate. However nothing can be said in the present conditions.
     
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  7. neil_diablos

    neil_diablos Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Thank you very much but we would rather have you sit in DC and enjoy your coffee.
     
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  8. neil_diablos

    neil_diablos Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    I don't neither he nor I were comparing our strengths to anybody but then again, I cant seem to recall the last time you spoke to the point. But anyways, here are some facts if you compare IAF and PLAAF as you seem to be so interested in comparisons, given that you were happily comparing LCA with the Rafale on another thread. Here is one of my posts, from another thread.


    Source: http://www.indiandefence.com/forums...-generation-fighters-iaf-2.html#ixzz2ekIHfltv
     
  9. Himanshu Pandey

    Himanshu Pandey Don't get mad, get even. STAR MEMBER

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    just one question.. why you think Indian fear china and why you think we are not enough to beat china out... are you baught by china to make most anto-chinise forum into a fearful forum of china :lol:

    grow up man... you don't know a single thing.. just because you think we are not good doesn't make us bad.. we are able to defend our borders and that we will do without you.. so don't worry yourself too much and let it not come into your growing process
     
  10. neil_diablos

    neil_diablos Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    MiG 21s were procured during the 60s, at a time when none of the Western nations(read US) were willing to sell India front-line fighters let alone transfer of technology and license production. MiG 21 was the most capable contemporary fighter available around that time, comparable with the F104 starfighter Pakistan had and better than the F-86 sabres. We reached a comfort zone with the MiG 21 and hence decided to produce more, under license.

    There is no fighter which is specifically designed for mountain warfare, therefore it renders this discussion moot.

    Right so going by your discussion, India should have used a retired and under powered jet like the Marut instead of an in service fighter like the MiG 27? Where is the logic in that?
     
  11. Himanshu Pandey

    Himanshu Pandey Don't get mad, get even. STAR MEMBER

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    sometimes you demand too much............. logic? still looking for enlightenment you are
     
  12. ArmChairGeneral

    ArmChairGeneral Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Mr Neil,

    Will your 'plane by plane' comparison win a you a war with China? How? Your comparison does not have upto date data about Chinese fighters anyway. For example information about avionics, weapons etc. It is just not the engine and the external shape of the fighter.

    India faces a serious numbers problem in fighters strength. I would advise you to open Google Earth and see for yourself how many of Indian cities have no air defence, simply because there are no fighters available.

    I gave you a scenario - a war between late 2014 and early 2016. Can you tell me how India will defend from the combined strength of Pakistan, and the Chinese bases in range of Indian cities in that timeframe?
     
  13. ArmChairGeneral

    ArmChairGeneral Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    In your view, India can do nothing. India exports software worth 60B USD per year in your dreams.
    India produces zero aeronautical engineers and has zero manufacturing capability.

    Mr Pandey wake up and smell the coffee?

    The engines can be designed and developed if THERE IS A WILL!!!
     
  14. ArmChairGeneral

    ArmChairGeneral Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    The point is HF-24 would be better at low speed bombing mission.

    Buying "what is available off the shelf" can never be a good strategy. A good strategy is first to evaluate what is needed in the situation that you exist, then developing capabilities or buying abroad.

    Why Mig-27 and Jaguar failed to bomb Pakistani gun positions in Kargil? Because IAF did not think this situation existed when it bought the planes? Why IAF did not think of this situation?
     
  15. The Drdo Guy

    The Drdo Guy Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    [MENTION=10184]ArmChairGeneral[/MENTION]
    [The engines can be designed and developed if THERE IS A WILL!!!]Are you talking about KAVERY ENGINE IN PARTICULAR.?
     
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