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Wary of China, India offers Akash surface-to-air missile systems to Vietnam

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  1. lca-fan

    lca-fan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Wary of China, India offers Akash surface-to-air missile systems to Vietnam
    Indigenously developed Akash surface-to-air missile. (TOI File Photo)
    HIGHLIGHTS
    • Sources say discussions are under way with Vietnam on the Akash area defence missiles
    • The missiles have an interception range of 25-km against hostile aircraft, helicopters & drones
    • This comes in the backdrop of India & Vietnam deciding to “elevate” their “strategic partnership”
    NEW DELHI: India is now actively discussing the possible sale of the indigenously developed Akash surface-to-air missile systems to Vietnam, even as the two countries steadily crank up their bilateral military ties with a watchful eye on a confrontational China in the Asia-Pacific region.

    With Beijing continuing to thwart New Delhi's bid to join the 48-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group and get Jaish-e-Muhammed chief Masood Azhar designated a terrorist by the UN, while also stepping up its naval forays into the Indian Ocean Region, India is responding by fast-tracking military ties with countries in China's own backyard. The expanding "strategic and military partnership" with Japan and Vietnam, in particular, has emerged a major thrust area.
    Sources say the discussions under way with Vietnam on the Akash area defence missiles, which have an interception range of 25-km against hostile aircraft, helicopters and drones, come after India earlier offered BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles and Varunastra anti-submarine torpedoes to the country.

    India, of course, will also begin training Vietnamese fighter pilots on its Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jets from this year, much like it has been tutoring sailors from that country on the intricate art of operating Kilo-class submarines for the last three years, as reported earlier by TOI.

    Defence minister Manohar Parrikar says Vietnam "is a close friend" and several initiatives are in progress to further boost bilateral defence cooperation, ranging from help in upgrade of military equipment of the Vietnamese forces to training them on fighters and submarines.

    All this comes in the backdrop of India and Vietnam deciding to "elevate" their "strategic partnership", which was established in July 2007, into a "comprehensive strategic partnership" during PM Narendra Modi's visit to Hanoi in September 2016.

    Sources said Vietnam has shown "deep interest" in the acquisition of Akash missiles, asking for transfer of technology and joint production of the air defence system.

    India, however, thinks it has to be an incremental process, with an initial off-the-shelf purchase followed by transfer of technology in maintenance and other areas.

    "Talks are in progress to arrive at a common plan. It's relatively easier on the Akash front since the missile system is 96% indigenous," said a source. The two defence secretaries, incidentally, are slated to meet soon to identify the military projects and equipment under the new $500 million defence line of credit announced by Modi in September.

    But it will be more complicated to sell the 290-km range BrahMos — or transfer technology — to Vietnam because the missiles are produced here under a joint Indo-Russian venture. BrahMos missiles still have an import content of over 60% from Russia.

    On other fronts, however, India is fast expanding its military training, technology sharing, joint exercises, visits and exchange of experts with Vietnam. Faced with a belligerent China, Vietnam too has been strengthening its military capabilities by inducting Kilo-class submarines and Sukhoi fighters from Russia, both of which have been operated by Indian armed forces for years.

    It was in 2013 that India had kicked off the training of a large number of Vietnamese sailors in "comprehensive underwater combat operations'' in Navy submarine school INS Satavahana, Visakhapatnam.

    Now, the training on Sukhois is all set to take off.
    http://m.timesofindia.com/india/war...l-military-relations/articleshow/56410196.cms

    Good move now get Taiwan onboard too.
     
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  2. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Captain Technical Analyst

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    Vietnam has S300 to cover its long range strategic needs.

    It needs short and medium range SAMs.

    Presently it has S75, S125 and 2K12 Kubs.

    All the three are legacy systems and have ranges
    2K12 KUB = 24 Km
    S75 = 45 Km
    S125 = 35 Km

    All three can be replaced by Akash Missile System which has a Max Engagement Range upto 30-35 km.

    Vietnam has very large numbers of these old SAMs, which would require a lot of money to modernise. It would be logical for them to buy Cheaper and Effective Akash from India. Also India can easily extend easy Credit Lines for Vietnam.
     
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  3. Lion of Rajputana

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    How good are the Akash missiles? Because not too long ago I read an article that the air force wasn't completely satisfied with them in the air defence role and was lobbying the Government for some Israeli missiles instead.

    Is that an indictment of the missile's quality, or is it just another instance of the forces being import-happy again?
     
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    Lion of Rajputana Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Also, can we sell them the damn Brahmos already? It's been ages since people began talking about it, and we're yet to see it happen. We ought to sell them the Brahmos, and possibly some Agni's, continue training their Sukhoi pilots and submariners; and extend a line of more credit for hardware like our state of the art worships.

    In exchange, this Government should try to eventually revive the old Vietnamese offer (turned down by the previous Government) for India to maintain a naval base in Vietnam's Nha Trang Bay.

    One last thing I've long thought about (which the defense analyst Bharat Karnad originally proposed) is keeping the possibility of sharing nuclear technology with Vietnam in our back pocket as a trump card against China.
     
  5. AbRaj

    AbRaj Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Its all depends on Russian as they hold 90% of IPR if not all as an OEM. And in current geopolitical situation I am damn sure that Russia is not going to antagonise China for the sake of India or Vietnam.
    People tend to overestimate India's contribution in it.
    That's why designed and made in India weapons are the only way forward. It doesn't matter if anyone like Arjun or Akash or LCA or LCH ,they are the one going to save our arse when time will come to shove
     
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    Lion of Rajputana Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Thats true, perhaps we should have moved quicker to do this before Russia and China cozied up so much.
     
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    Akash missiles are very good for point defence (30kms range) IAF is quiet satisfied with it and has given huge order for it. Israeli SAM are QRSAM Spyder (15kms range) which are canisterised version of python or derby I suppose. Even DRDO is making QRSAM based on Astra 2, which will eliminate need of Israeli missile, besides DRDO is developing longer range Akash 2 (40-50kms range) with more advanced seekers and better technology comparabe to Patriot 3. So rest assured Akash are good.
     
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    Ok, I see, thanks!
     
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    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Akash is a command guided missile....right..!?

    That means it does not have an onboard seeker... It is guided the whole way.. (launch to intercept) by the fire control radar on the surface...

    How combat effective is this method versus actively guided missiles with onboard Seekers...!?


    Will the Akash Mk. 2 be Active / Semi - Active...!?
     
  10. lca-fan

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    Akash mk2 have active seeker and fire and forget technology. Akash are being produced at 60 units per month demand is for 100 per month (for indian forces itself) and so production speed is being raised. If we have to export we will have to produce more.
     

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