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What India can learn from Israel

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  1. sangos

    sangos Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    India has much to learn from Israeli’s application of hard power, who are living in a part of the world where most of their neighbours don’t even acknowledge their right to exist

    Rupa Subramanya

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    PM Narendra Modi is set to visit Israel on 4-6 July, in what will be another first: the first time ever that an Indian prime minister will visit Israel. Photo: PTI
    The year 2017 marks important anniversaries for Israel: the Balfour Declaration of 1917, the first official British declaration recognizing the need for a Jewish state; 1947 when the United Nations passed a resolution in support of a Jewish state, a year before its creation; and 1967, which saw the Six-Day War resulting in an overwhelming Israeli victory over Arab aggressors, establishing Israel’s control over all of Jerusalem, West Bank, Gaza, Golan, and Sinai.

    This year also marks the 25th anniversary of the establishment of formal diplomatic relations between India and Israel. To commemorate this important anniversary, and by remarkable coincidence coinciding with all these other important anniversaries, Prime Minister Narendra Modi is set to visit Israel on 4-6 July, in what will be another first: the first time ever that an Indian prime minister will visit Israel.

    It’s noteworthy that the customary add-on, a visit to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, is being skipped. This signals in no uncertain terms that India no longer hyphenates Israel and Palestine and acknowledges what has been evident below the radar screen for years, the enormous importance of the India-Israel bilateral relationship. Whether it’s military cooperation, trade or combatting Islamist extremism in their respective neighbourhoods, Israel is fast becoming one of India’s staunchest and most important partners. Credit for the ramping up of this long overdue boost to the relationship is due both to Modi and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    A recent visit to Israel reinforced all of the reasons I already believed India and Israel are natural partners. That begins with the natural affinity and warmth between the two peoples. Israelis love to travel to India and love seeing Indians in their own country.

    India is perhaps unique in having a long history of Jewish migration without any persecution of the Jews from the indigenous population. Anti-semitism came to India with the arrival of European colonizers and in fact it was the Maharaja of Cochin who sheltered members of the ancient Jewish settlement when they were marauded by the Portuguese. Much later, Baghdadi Jews played an important part in Bombay’s rise as a modern metropolis and commercial centre. Indeed, one of the so-called original merchant princes of Bombay was David Sassoon, a Baghdadi Jew. As it happens, about 80,000 Indian Jews have settled in Israel and are great ambassadors for India there. They contribute to India’s soft power in the Israeli consciousness which is considerable.



    In the opposite direction, India has much to learn from Israeli’s application of hard power, living as they do in a part of the world where most of their neighbours don’t even acknowledge their right to exist and many are trying actively to wipe them off the map. India too faces existential threats but for too long, our political elite were both unwilling to acknowledge this fact and to draw the correct lessons from the Israeli experience.

    In conversations with senior Israeli military and security officials, it became clear that the Israeli approach is to balance strength and military and strategic superiority and a focus on deterrence on the one hand, with the ability to be compassionate and emphatic on the other. Thus, it is little known that on Israel’s northern border with Syria on the Golan Heights, where civil war is raging between government and rebel forces, those in need of medical care, often injured in the shelling and firing, cross over to the Israeli side and get treated at Israeli hospitals free of cost. These were people who grew up thinking of Israel as their mortal enemy that needed to be destroyed.

    It’s striking that Israeli settlers have ventured right up to the UN administered buffer zone between Israeli occupied Golan, neighbouring Syria and Lebanon, confident that Israeli forces will protect them. There’s a good reason: as several security officials said, their goal is to ensure life is as normal as it can be for those they protect.

    Unfortunately, the same can’t be said for Jammu and Kashmir, where indigenous Pandits were driven out while the Indian state looked the other way and in which it’s not even legally permissible for non-Kashmiri Indians to settle there. Nor can Indian security forces guarantee safety in regions affected by Maoist and other insurgencies.

    India could well take a cue from how Israel maintains stringent external and internal security, allowing Israeli settlements right up to the border of conflict zones. In India, by contrast, we seem to be in perennial reaction mode, trying to contain situations as they’re unfolding rather than pre-empting trouble before it happens.

    Israelis understand that genuine compassion and empathy even toward those bent on destroying them comes from a position of strength, not of weakness. But all of this requires political will and a deeper commitment and investment to our military and security establishment. The former requires that there be a broad political consensus that India faces existential threats from within and without. The latter requires taking these existential threats we face seriously as the Israelis do theirs.

    In 1967, Israel faced a threat to its very existence from Arab neighbours and vanquished its enemies. In 1962, India faced abject defeat at the hands of Chinese neighbours who continue to occupy some of our territory. When will India get its act together and learn from Israel?


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    Ex-Air Chief endorsed this "Israeli formula" - way to go.
     
  2. ranadd

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    Nothing to be honest.

    Israel is a highly homogeneous nation with one objective. There is no other nation like that with similar objectives. Perhaps, you can find some similarities with few EU nations, Japan etc.

    India is not one of them. India is a huge heterogeneous nation. Israel formula and such is a wet dream for few. And should remain like that.

    Unity in Diversity.
     
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    There are many thing which we can learn from Israel

    1. Agriculture
    2. Water Conservation
    3. Border Management
    4. Fight the unconventional war
    5. Krav Maga
    6. Last but the best how to make and use the Human Shield in Kashmir :scare::scare::scare:
     
  4. Flyboy!

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    Indian women should be battle hardened like Israeli women.
    Gal Gadot !:smitten:
     
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    This is patently false. Author does not understand how Jewish identity works. We have no pull among Indian Jews. It is like they were never in India.

    The relation we have with Israel are independent of Indian Jews (It would be false to label them as Jews of Indian origin,because in this case they would cease to be Jews). Relations would be same,even if there is not a single Indian Jew in Israel.




    Israel has more Muslims as percentage than India (17.5%). It has even more Arabs as percentage citizens (21%)- not counting a single Palestinian as citizen. Has 1.5% Durzes and 2% Christians.

    Inside Judaism itself, Jews are divided into Haredi and non-Haredi Jews. Apart from that, Jews are divided on racial lines as in Ashkenazi Jews (Germanics), Sephardic Jews (Hispanics), Mirazhi Jews (Eastern) who are further divided into Ethiopian, Indian,Iranian,Arab, and Palestinian jews. And racism is a big factor in Israel with Ethopian Jews even establishing Black Panther of Israel group to fight against discrimination against Ethopian Jews, and Israel government even giving non-consensual birth control to Ethopian Jews to limit their population. Mirazhi and Sephardic Jews are still discriminated racially.

    Israel is far from homogeneous. The main difference is in willpower of government and population. If Hindus and GoI have willpower, all those Pakistan loving Kashmiri Muslims in J&K would be reduced to second class citizens in a year.
     
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    Lol, what israel do is they don't give any relaxation during the entrance physical test, and no discrimination on the basis of gender. The women share the same training and camp with the male. There are many women who have the physical capabilities comparatively to the males. Thus they don't give any excuse for the national security. In case of ia do you think that the women soldier would be ready to share the same toilet in the forward location, if they are given combat role.
     
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    In Israel, all non-Haredic Jews (both sexes,and transgenders too) have to serve in military. I do not think there are entrance tests when you have universal conscription.
     
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    Everything.

    Imagine 0.2% population on earth earns 23% of the nobel prizes ever awarded.

    Imagine being so small, still not giving up , anytime.

    The Indians who will choose India before Mecca/Medina, Vatican and Jerusalem, should try to inculcate the attitude every Jew has it.
     
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    What I meant by battle hardened is not war, but physicality, equality and total freedom. They should be free to choose what ever they want to do in life. Every woman should be armed with a potent kick to render those who cross limits , impotent. Recently an actress was shamed for posting a pic of herself in a swim suit , in a debate that ensued on tv, a panelist said if women want to be equal to men, they can turn up to work in their underwear. I would like to see that Moolah's dick kicked hard by a woman..

    an Israeli woman is a symbol of freedom. She can go to a synagoge with her scarf and veil, she can go to the beach in her bikini or she can wear the green of the forces.
     
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    Please check the number of population of the Israel, and the history after its creation specially how it was surrounded by Arabs nation ready to distroy it from the start. It was their existence which was online -- thus they turned every citizen into a combat trained soldier.

    I remember, when I was in Kashmir, 3 militants tried to abduct 4 Jews tourist from israel -- 2 male and 2 female from the house boat at mid night. They grabbed the AK47 and fight rather than giving up and gets abducted, because that would mean Death for Sure. In the end One Israeli Male died, 1 male and 1 female injured with all 3 Jihadi terrorist dead. End of the story.
     
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    Israel is far more homogeneous.

    There are millions of non-hindus in India that are not in J&K. What are they? Second class citizens? Just because the saffron clan is in central government does not mean hindus get anything. Stop spreading hatred.
     
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    Ok then Jihadi and Communist Lefist now Happy.
     
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    Where did my earlier post go? India needs Homogenicity,not diversity, a Chain is as strong as its individual parts, in name of diversity you are going to build a weak chain which will break under pressure.
    The only way India's future is secure is becoming Hindu Rasthra and impose laws,which make Hinduism state religion.You are surrounded by enemies who dislike your religious identity and want to erase you off history.The only way to fight back and survive is by recognizing you are homogenous group not,some group who claim their ancestors came from desert and claim their lineage to so some desert clan invader.
     
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    Indian Jews are — Bene Israel, Baghdadi and Cochini. Cochini's are the oldest group from Kerela. Bene Israel have their roots in Maharastra's Konkan. Baghdadi's were latest settled in Mumbai and Kolkatta. After Aliyah most of them live in the southern Israeli towns of Ashdod, Ashkelon, Dimona and Bersheva, cities that have borne the brunt of the rocket attacks of the Hamas. Dimona and Ashdod is known as Little India but with close to 1,000 families of Indian origin living here. Its true many of them are now more Israeli than Indian, it is common to hear Marathi and a smattering of Hindi spoken in many homes.

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    Marathi joint in Ashdod
     
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    Israel

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    • Total
    20,770–22,072 km2(8,019–8,522 sq mi)[a](149th)



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    Area
    • Total

    3,287,263[5] km2(1,269,219 sq mi)[d] (

    Compare the size of this two nations .
    Another point is that Israeli peoples are one of most educated ,brilliant folks in the world .
    This nation's real power is their nukes and unrelenting US support .
    They have special US aid program that runs in billions of $.They dont have any petty issues of Cows ,stupid people like Yadav ,Mayawati ,Lalu ,Vaiko etc.

    Israelies are most intelligent people in the world .

    But when it comes to India ,we have doubting thomas like CPM ,Congress .Then nothing for good people Yadav ,Mayawati ,Lalu ,Vaiko.
    India is very huge and hetrogeneous .A scheme formulated in centre will only dripped down to bottom only after years .Due to this size we have an inherited strength
    Israel size is just half of my state Kerala .Nor they have population like in India .They dont have to spend billions for food ,education and allevating poverty .All they need to do is to advances their technolgies in various field.

    So there is no comparison at all.
    Even Chinese are more homogenous than us.
     
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