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Why are India's air force planes falling out of the sky?

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by HMS Astute, Oct 17, 2014.

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  1. sam2012

    sam2012 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Not harsh then your stupid sense of humour
     
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    The F15 and F15 kill ratio is 100 to 0. The F35 peramters are to be twice as combat effective as the F16 to justify the cost. Theres no way some one like you would understand US Air
    War theory even if I could explain it.
     
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    13683 USA
    3082 Russia
    2788 China
    1785 India
    Military Planes per country.

    US has twice as military planes as Russia, China and India combined with much superior aircraft and trained personnel.
    If you add US allies to the total its an incredible amount of airpower when considering the force multiplier of smart weapons and surveillance.
     
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    One of India's military weakness is the production of oil, oil is the lifeblood of war. US produces ten times as much oil as India.
     
  5. sam2012

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    Just read my post properly did I make fun of your air combat doctrine?? I meant LCA suits our air force never told it is best then rest

    And F-35 suits your force , I never talked about you airforce theory

    I know about it very well bombing third world country be happy with it
     
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    You are superior in quantity and quality along with your dumb NATO gang why don't you just move in and liberate ukraine and cremia. what about asia pivot on your own containing china
     
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    Obiviously we didn't bully middle east countries on pretext of WMD and put puppet govt in charge to control all oil wells and you have alaska gas reserve
     
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    Attrition: Why Russia Is Thin In The Air

    October 12, 2014: On September 4th Russia lost another MiG-31 to equipment failure. This time it was not the engines, but the landing gear. Russia has already decided to refurbish its MiG-31s one more time and then replace them with a new interceptor design. The refurb is to keep this Cold War era jet fighter in service until the end of the 2020s. By then Russia hopes to have the new replacement aircraft in service.
    The latest equipment failure was not unexpected. There have already been problems even with recently refurbished MiG-31s. The most common problem has been the engines. The refurbishment includes the D30F6 engines, which are being tweaked and upgraded to make them more powerful, efficient and reliable. This comes in the aftermath of two crashes (in early and late 2013) that involved these engines. In December 2013 Russia grounded all 122 of its MiG-31 fighters after one of them crashed because both of its engines failed.
    Russian air force officials were very disturbed with recently refurbished MiG-31s crashing. The latest round of upgrades for most of its MiG-31s, to the new MiG-31BM standard, was supposed to improve reliability, as well as performance. The MiG-31BM upgrades will take the rest of the decade to complete. The upgrade also includes a new radar with a range of 320 kilometers and the ability to simultaneously track up to 10 targets. But without reliable engines it’s all for naught. It’s the engines that worry air force generals and pilots the most.
    Russian high-performance jet engines, like those used in fighters and bombers, have long been notoriously unreliable. The end of the Cold War in 1991 gave Russia access to Western manufacturing and components technology that was supposed to fix this problem. It did, but not enough and not yet. Russian jet engines are still notably inferior to their Western counterparts, especially when it comes to reliability.
    Meanwhile the MiG-31BM upgrades come just in time as the elderly MiG-31s are in bad shape. The MiG-31 is itself an upgrade of the MiG-25 design, which was developed to deal with the American B-70 bomber. When the United States cancelled the B-70 in 1967 the Russians kept going with the MiG-25 and turned it into a reconnaissance aircraft. The B-70 got axed because it was too expensive and it was realized that the future was in bombers that came in low and fast rather than high and even faster.
    The MiG-25, on the other hand turned out to be an excellent recon aircraft. It was able to fly higher and faster than other fighters used for recon although not as high as the American U-2 or SR-71. But the United States did not sell those aircraft to anyone, while Russia made a lot of money selling MiG-25s to anyone with enough cash. Russia also made a lot of money training the two man crews required for each exported MiG-25.
    The MiG-31 fixed a long list of MiG-25 problems and was turned into a very impressive interceptor. The 46 ton aircraft has passive sensors (which have a range of 200 kilometers) and radar guided R33 missiles, with a range of 150 kilometers. Other missiles are carried, as well as smart bombs. The MiG-31 is not very maneuverable but it is fast (able to sprint at up to 3,200 kilometers an hour). Like the original MiG-25 it does not have much range (a 720 kilometer combat radius).
    The MiG-31 appeared in the 1980s and the current version, the MiG-31M, is actually an accumulation of upgrades that have been under way since the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. Since then, about 200 of the remaining 350 MiG-31s have been upgraded or are in line for the work. In the last few years, the MiG-31 fleet has gotten a lot more money and readiness (for combat) has gone from under 25 percent to over 75 percent. But only about 180 MiG-31s remain flyable and only 122 are actually in service. Russia is having a growing problem with obtaining sufficiently competent ground support personnel and civilian technicians that can handle upgrades and major maintenance.
    About 500 MiG-31s were built in the 1980s and these aircraft remain the mainstay of Russian air defenses, at least as far as interceptors go. But the MiG-31 fleet is spread thin across Russia's vast borders and squadrons tend to be concentrated in areas where they might encounter high performance intruders (China and Europe). There are about a hundred MiG-31s in storage and these can be refurbished and upgraded if need be.
    In early 2013 Russia revealed that only about 16 percent of its MiG-31 interceptors were on alert at any time, ready to take off and confront aerial intruders. A larger proportion of the 240 Su-27s are on alert as well. The high-flying and extremely fast MiG-31s are able to catch just about any type of aircraft. The Su-27 comes along to back up the Mig-31s and protect them from any fighters. The MiG-31 is optimized for quick interception, not prolonged air combat.
    Russia is covering 20,000 kilometers of land borders with fewer than 600 fighters. Worse yet, most of the Cold War era radars along the borders are elderly, unreliable and frequently off-line. The radar network is being rebuilt, but that will be taken care of more quickly than rebuilding the jet interceptor force. Actually, Russia will probably never have the Cold War size interceptor force (2,300 fighters) that existed in 1991. The only survivors of that are the MiG-31s and Su-27s
     
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    We never forced America to supply the engines. Alternatives were always there.
     
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    If you've little bit of common sense, Series Production starts after all kinds of quality testing. And it has gone through 20+ years of rigorous testing. The 16 prototypes that were built had gone through all sorts of weather, terrain and conditions. And not a single one has fallen out of the sky.
     
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    Even the best can fall out of the sky. Yes, It's an F 22. F 22 crashes killed two pilots till now. Su-30MKI crashes caused zero deaths.
     
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    Well that's another 100 million plus, up in smoke.
     
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    All of the following nations are committed to purchasing the F-35 JSF:

    The US *
    The UK *
    Italy *
    The Netherlands *
    Australia *
    Turkey
    Norway *
    Denmark
    Israel *
    Japan
    South Korea

    The asterics indicate nations that have already placed firm orders and gotten into the production queue (lots I-VI are either already built or firmly scheduled). The others have invested in the program and made firm commitments to future orders.

    Some are buying less than they originally contemplated...for now...others are increasing their orders.

    That list is going to grow and probably include nations like Singapore, Canada, Belgium, Finland, Greece, and other nations. We will have to wait and see. I am sure Singapore and Canada will purchase some...the numbers are still fluid.

    I expect the US will ultimately have between 2,500 and 3,000 of these aircraft. I expect allied nations will ultimately buy on the order of 1,500 or even more.

    To think, and to continue to believe that all of these purchases and major national commitments are simply because of political pressure is simply becoming less and less credible or believable. Yes they are interested in remaining close to the US...and there are good reasons for that.

    Yes, they want to leverage the weapons and sensors that the US can bring to the table and all of the research that went into it. Those are certainly components of these decisions as well they should be.

    But they are also not betting the security of their nations on a lark either. They see a platform that will be significantly technologically advanced, will have sensors and avionic that are equally advanced with a sensor fusion unequaled in he world, and an aircraft with the weapons and the flight envelope that will allow them to perform their function second to none.

    No...there is no real 5th generation alternative. But there are quite a few 4.5 gen aircraft that are very good to choose from. The Typhoon, the Rafael, the new Gripen JAS 39NG, the F-15 Silent Eagle, the new F/A-18 Advanced Hornet, etc. Any of those would make decent platforms, and would allow these nations to either invest in something of their own (which is exactly what the French are doing), or have ties to strong allies, and at a reduced cost.

    But they are choosing the F-35...and for all the reasons I listed. I believe in the end, it will prove to be a very wise choice.
     
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    Hello paper tiger cut the crap and ask your rogue govt to attack china and russia with your mighty airforce the you will know about thin russian airforce and chinese airforce is , remember using old soviet SAM system your stealth invisible fighter got whupped from kosova
     
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    It is not US territory being occupied by China. That must be humilitating to have large part of your country occupied by a foreign power and not having the courage to do anything about it.
     
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