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Why Indian Air Force May Best Chinese Jets In An Air Battle Over Tibet

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Hellfire, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Written by Vishnu Som

    New Delhi
    : Indian Air Force fighter jets will be able to effectively tackle Chinese Air Force fighters over Tibet in the event of hostilities between the two countries.

    A new yet-to-be-released document, "The Dragon's Claws: Assessing China's PLAAF Today" makes the point that the IAF has significant operational advantages over the Chinese Air Force in operations in the Tibetan Autonomous Region which lies to the North of the Line of Actual Control between the two countries.

    Written by Squadron Leader Sameer Joshi, a former Indian Air Force Mirage 2000 fighter pilot and produced by Vayu Aerospace, the document is the first comprehensive Indian assessment of the air power balance between India and China since the crisis in the Doklam plateau broke out last month.

    According to Squadron Leader Joshi, "Terrain, Technology and Training, will assuredly give the IAF an edge over the PLAAF (People's Liberation Army Air Force) in Tibet and southern Xinjiang, counterbalancing the numerical superiority of the PLAAF, at least for some years to come."

    The altitude of China's main airbases "along with the prevalent extreme climatic conditions seriously restrains the performance of aircraft, which reduces the effective payload and combat radius by an average of 50%." In other words, the lower density of air at high-altitude Tibetan bases prevents Chinese Air Force fighters such as the Su-27, J-11 or J-10 from taking off with a full complement of weapons and fuel. These aircraft would, therefore, enter a fight with the IAF at a severe disadvantage in the event of a conflict. The IAF, on the other hand, operates fighters in the Northeast from bases such as Tezpur, Kalaikunda, Chabua and Hasimara which are located near sea level elevations in the plains. This means "the IAF has no such restrictions and will effectively undertake deep penetration and air superiority missions in the Tibetan Autonomous Region."

    What's more, the Indian Air Force is thought to be a more nimble force which "focusses much more on experience in air combat and varied weapon delivery, backed by exposure at multinational exercises, to maintain a 'qualitative' edge over its foes." At the same time, both Air Forces are challenged by the mountainous terrain which makes detection of each other's aircraft difficult. In such a situation "terrain hugging fighters, masked by innumerable mountain valleys of the TAR (Tibetan Autonomous Region), will be a major factor for the both sides, delaying crucial early warning to the defenders."


    What's clear though is that while the Indian Air Force can clearly match or better the Chinese Air Force in the event of a limited air-war, China's substantially larger ballistic missile forces makes the IAF's infrastructure distinctly vulnerable to attack. China also operates a host of relatively advanced surface-to-air missile systems such as the S-300, HQ-9 and HQ-12 "all of which pose a grave danger to the IAF although they are reliant on early detection for success."

    In the long run however, China's rapidly expanding Air Force which is now in the process of inducting home-grown stealth fighters such as the J-20 will gain meaningful regional air superiority unless the Indian Air Force gets "an adequate number of fighter aircraft to simultaneously protect the western and north-eastern borders."

    http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/newsi...-battle-over-tibet/ar-AApIoTY?ocid=spartandhp



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    Another one - the Feel Good Inc. As if PLAAF will not be having Airborne Refuellers in station, as if there will be no loss of aircrafts post a successful 'strike' by IAF ......
     
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  2. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Saurav Jha was dreaming about 18 refuellers and 400 advanced fighters till 2020 today on Twitter as well. I wonder if they aim on keeping the moral high, rather than stating the reality of the lack of modernisation and cancelled tenders.
     
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  3. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I will not divulge much but I have written a detailed analysis of it in LSA thread. IAF is no match for PLAAF. Only fools can talk of such superiority.
     
  4. nair

    nair Die hard Romeo IDF NewBie

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    I do not know why such basic information or point is missed by people who is supposed to have detailed analytical skills or knowledge to do so....
     
  5. Lion of Rajputana

    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Can someone with the necessary knowledge and experience (i.e. vets such as you and @Hellfire ) please do a detailed analysis of what a future conflict with China would look like (both in the case of a short conflict and a full war) and what sort of results we may expect?
     
  6. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I can do it but will not do it. This forum is read by many including our enemies.
     
  7. Lion of Rajputana

    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Ok, well is it possible you make a very generalized post which doesn't give away anything significant, but which gives the rest of us users a somewhat better idea about the situation?

    Because right now all we really have are these feel good pieces. Other than that, occasionally there's an article which just vaguely says that India would be able to defend against any Chinese misadventure, but that's as far as they go.

    Otherwise the only other coverage is those "warrior' news channels that do the same old tired slide show comparisons of which country has how many soldiers, tanks and planes while recycling 5 second clips of 5 year old military exercises.
     
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    sunstersun Lieutenant IDF NewBie

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    eh, the PLAAF probably has the IAF beat.
     
  9. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Sorry sir, I will not do it. IAF is in for a big shock and all their false bravado will be exposed. They will be reduced to being a third rate service of India. They have cheated this nation for long and now is the time when their real worth will be exposed as being-USELESS.
     
  10. Lion of Rajputana

    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Fair enough, I understand.
     
  11. lca-fan

    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    This war if happens will be another watershed moment in History of India the first being 1962 war after which there was focus to build military which was neglected by idiot Nehru.

    After this war India and Indian armed forces will move to Indian defence products instead of imported gold plated products, after this war there will be focus on building indigenous MIC. This war will open chinks in our armor (imported weapons) which will be denied or have to pay through our nose (pay higher price) or difficulties in getting them on our shores once war breaks out. All love for imported weapons will go forever as till now it was Pakistan which was no match but China is different ball game ..........
     
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  12. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    India will win this war with China bcoz of our Army and Navy. But IAF will be reduced to being an idiot in this war. Indians will know that they have wasted their money on Rafale and such expensive toys which are good for nothing except for being effective against absolutely useless enemies like Libya and ISIS.
    I really want to know where has Rafale done well when faced with real adversaries or over whelmed by forces superior to it in numbers.
    Just read what I posted on LSA thread. Lanchester's equations are correct for even air warfare..
     
  13. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    It's just a dumb article.

    The payload loss only affects strike missions.

    But the Chinese lack dedicated refuellers. The H-6U has limited fuel load and very few are in service. So a strike group of Flankers has to take off with the H-6U in order to use up all the fuel immediately. And they have only 8 IL-78s.

    http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-Tanker-Programs.html

    The small number of refuellers will not be able to maintain the high sortie rate that's desired during war.

    The biggest drawback is the IAF doesn't have enough jets. So unless they can kill without magically getting killed themselves, then yeah.

    Their missile strikes will shut down our bases anyway.
     
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  14. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    And what happens after that? We too will have to fly our aircraft from far off bases to have just about 10 minutes over target. And how many of them will survive when PLAAF has a doctrine of doing head on collision with intruders after firing all their missiles on intruders? Numbers are a quality in them selves. IA had seen it in 1962 already. The waves which overwhelmed Rezang La had soldiers who had to pick up the weapons of fallen/dead soldiers to attack Indian formations.
     
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  15. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Forget about aircraft, even a bird will not fly out of Indian bases which have no protection.
     

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