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Why Indian Air Force May Best Chinese Jets In An Air Battle Over Tibet

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Hellfire, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Than which plane can do better?
     
  2. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Really? Can you pull up the data?
     
  3. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    It is not about Planes but about tactics. a short intense war will be good for India, a prolonged war will be good for China.
     
  4. HariPrasad

    HariPrasad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Ok Sir.
     
  5. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Numerical advantage is one thing, force multiplier are another! More AWACS, J10 and J11 versions already available with AESA radars and even a little number of J20 will be a huge advantage in offensive capabilities.

    By cancelling MMRCA and tankers tenders, as well as delaying stealth fighter and AWACS procurements, we played directly in their hands, to even increase their superiority.
    The same is the case for the naval field, where crucial procurements of ASW aircrafts, or mine layers and SSKs were delayed or cancelled.
    It even gets worse, when you keep in mind that we pop out new SSKs now, but without modern AIP or even basic Torpedos, just as IA gets combat helicopters without ATGMs.
    And we wonder why cross border attacks in the west, border incursions in the north east, or PLAN activities in our backyard are increasing? They take advantage of our current weakness!
     
  6. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Irrespective of the technology available, if there is numerical superiority, especially as that exists for China in terms of platforms, in a high-low mix, the side having greater number of platforms will always hold the edge. To augment this, their AWACS may not be as capable, but sheer numbers give them the capability.

    My aim of putting up this OP was to make sure that the stupidity of Indian media, which forced Nehru's hand, inspite of all evidence to the contrary, in not accepting a negotiate settlement to Aksai Chin and NEFA (with trade off as proposed), is not repeated by Indians today. But it seems Indians have the habit of remaining stupid.

    1962 was a limited war launched by PLA to evict Indian forward posts established North of MacMahon Line, and we all are privy to the results. Looking through the nationalistic and jingoistic bullshit, Indian Army was found wanting and the decision making was found lacking right from the top.

    Neither was the nation ready for a war (prepared in terms of resource mobilisations and diplomatic back up) nor was the infrastructure better than the opposing force to fight them to win.

    The same condition exists today. Save for the diplomatic front where India has put in a lot of effort and has more or less sealed the support for a defensive battle, our infrastructure lags badly, and our equipment remains outdated and under strength.
     
  7. Lion of Rajputana

    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Prolonged wars are far less likely nowadays though, especially in the context of the current situation. China at the most would probably be looking for a quick skirmish right now.
     
  8. Veeran

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    How can they fight a long war if we cut of their fuel supply through IOR-Malacca Straits?
    Short war means how long, 10 days or enough to diminish China's backup fuel storage vaults so that we can prevent China from going to long term war ??
     
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    No no no I was just asking using common sense.
    Advanced means they usually are better in tech, so I assumed that our 4+ gen fighters have a higher ceiling than their 3rd gen.
     
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  10. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I had stated that IA & IN will be the decisive factor for India. This problem of oil is not as big as had been made out. Do you know about the oil pipeline from Russia to China and its capacity? Chinese signed a 30yr long contract with Russia in 2015 for oil trade thru Siberian pipelines.
     
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  11. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    When you have a large area to cover, you always need numbers above capability! A highly capable Aircraft in low numbers, can't provide full coverage of a larger area 24/7, while a large number of less capable aircrafts can.

    Especially when you have numerical inferiority, you have to add force multipliers, to even the odds and sadly we failed exactly in this area the most.
     
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  12. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Their 3rd Gen are old Mig/Su airframes and they are equipped with Turbojet engines which give them higher ceiling compared to any turbofan engine. Just have a look at network of airfields east of Myanmar in China. You will understand my point better.
     
  13. sunstersun

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    FGFA, Tejas, and MMRCA delays have shot the IAF in the foot.

    Mig21 and Jags represent over half of the current inventory in the IAF. What does the IAF have on deck to replace em? 36 Rafales and 117 Tejas.

    Meanwhile China has two indigenous fifth gen planes going into production.

    F-16's, Gripens, Rafales, FGFA, PAKFA, F-35's, Hornets, Tejas, AMCA it doesn't matter, speed is of the essence. Need to get your shit together GOI/DOD.
     
  14. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    It is my opinion that top cover will be flown by Mig-21 Bisons/29s with IN Mig-29Ks joining the IAF in the war effort and precision strikes will be done by Su-30MKIs and M2K.
     
  15. Vyom

    Vyom Captain GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    Oh boy. That's depressing.
     

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