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Why India’s Tejas MK-2 might have Israel’s Lavi fate due American lobbying!

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by lca-fan, Oct 3, 2017.

  1. surya kiran

    surya kiran 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    1. So it cannot take off. Thank you.

    2. Are you saying this photo is from 1980s taxi trial? Do you know who the person in the photo is?
     
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  2. GuardianRED

    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    @mods ... this @Anish guy is doing it again!! .. Re-posting the same no-sense post over from the LCA thread to this one!

    1980s .... what a Joke!!! ...LOL ...

    Here is another pic from the same event !

    [​IMG]
     
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  3. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    I have been correct and accurate on this forum about Rafale when many members said

    1. It will be scrapped in favour of Eurofighter
    2. It will be scrapped in favour of more Su30
    3. It will be scrapped in favour of Tejas

    Then

    4. FGFA delivery start in 2018
    5. Tejas production increases from 0.5/year to 8/year or even 16/year or 24/year
    6. 36 Rafale will be last import ever

    However i have always stated and maintained

    7. Tejas is biggest disaster in aerospace projects of the 20th century
    8. Tejas is extremely inferior to the Mig 21,23 and 27 which are the aircraft Tejas is supposed to replace
    9. HAL cannot increase production beyond 1-2 Tejas per year as it is not assembly case where foreign OEM forces them to actually work.
    10. FGFA(su-57) cannot be ordered or deliveries start until Russia completes it. HAL having a workshare is just a gimmick as there is zero contribution HAL which cannot even make a turboprop trainer can make to a 5th generation fighter.
    11. Tejas will be relegated to labs and scientific endeavours and a real light combat aircraft such as Gripen or now F-16 will be purchased in light category.

    Guess what?

    I have been right since day 1

    Rafale procured
    Gripen/F-16 negotiations under way
    Indian Navy buried Tejas in arabian sea. IAF soon to follow.

    However this forum has several members who never having sat in or flown in a military aircraft think themselves to be prime minister/defence minister and air chief marshall at the same time and being armchair generals lecture the IAF on trying to induct a worthless 50 year old Mirage 3 based junk fighter tejas which cannot even fire its gun.

    Good thing we have a competent prime minister like Modi, competent defence ministers like Parrikar who made several historic and great decisions like scrapping Kaveri, IJT-36 and diverting blocked funds into Rafale, Jaitely who actually got Rafale paperwork completed and NS who is ensuring F-16/Gripen inducted in NDA-2 itself.

    Tejas was always a pet project of the Gandhi family
    - No completion in sight or expected
    - Delays welcome and tolerated.
    - Unlimited and on demand budget
    - No risk of foreign exposure of bribes
    - All corruption done in-house by loyal IAS officers

    Thank god for people like Modi and Parrikar

    Tejas will be cancelled and sold to kabadiwala
    F-16/Gripen will be inducted in huge numbers and IAF mandate to defend India will cease to be shallow and hollow as it is today
     
  4. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    LCA F-16B70 has excellent aerodynamic capabilities and only anti-India elements will oppose the LCA F-16/LCA Gripen in order to compromise India/s national integrity
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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  6. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Can you pls elaborate your statement.
     
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  7. surya kiran

    surya kiran 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    You still are not answering the question. Can it take off from all airforce bases in the country. Please do not quote your half baked information.

    The last resort of a person unable to hold an arguement is talk about national security in a simple query. The F-16 is not a do or die. Its a plane. There are better planes. Much better planes.
     
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    WhyCry Reaper Love Developers -IT and R&D

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    I do support the F16's myself but Please refrain from name calling or labelling people.
     
  9. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    @Anish, before you post anything, educate yourself thoroughly and than post. You have no idea how LCA stacks up against the fighters being called superior to it.
    upload_2017-10-11_21-37-1.png
    This data is for LCAMK1A with 5750kgs as empty weight, 2700kgs as internal fuel and upgraded Kaveri with 60/98KN engine. The F-16Blk-70 has empty weight of 10 tons and internal fuel of 3200kgs, engine thurst of 78/142KN, Gripen NG has empty weight of 8tons and internal fuel of 3400 kgs and engine thrust of 62.5/98KN.

    Now can you please explain your statement about F-16 and LCA?
     
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  10. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The fuel fraction comparison is given below.
    upload_2017-10-11_21-47-3.png
    Tell me which is the best aircraft here?
     
  11. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    I think this spec has been overestimated. It is only possible if a Block 2 Mk1A is made. The current Mk1A has weaker engines.
     
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  12. vstol jockey

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    He won't reply to it. Both aircraft failed repeatedly in LEH and now Americans are bringing additional thrust to F-16blk70 and I can tell you both will again fail from Leh. LCA with its present low powered engines and higher empty weight has already cleared Leh trials.
     
  13. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    MK1A engine will be atleast 60/95KN
    even than it retains superior combat weight TWR compared to F-16 and Gripen NG. Only draw back is lack of IRST
     
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  14. WhyCry

    WhyCry Reaper Love Developers -IT and R&D

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    Yes, F16s' will have to have their own base infrastructure and support.

    As for the altitude, I do recall doing cold and hot tests for engines for the UAE order.

    Assumption: But lets for the sake of conversation, it fails the altitude test.
    F16s don't need to be stationed in the forward bases due to its long legs. (neither are Sukoi's). Also, the reason for LCA to be on the forward bases is its very limited combat radius.

    Perspective:
    F16's are not meant to replace tejas but complement them. Yes, the order will be shortened (still 100+) but in its current scenario they are not operational. They will actually act as a stepping stone to MK2 or AMCA.
     
  15. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Did you read the fuel fraction table? How have you assumed that F-16 has long legs? Its empty weight of nearly 10tons has two CFT with over 400kgs included. With CFTs its fuel figure goes up to 4.35tons and it gets some respectable range. Otherwise, purely on internal fuel, it has lower range than LCA.
    AND the basic premise for ordering SE jets is that they shud be capable of operations from forward bases.
     
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