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Why Pakistan’s Coke studio beats India’s hollow

Discussion in 'The Big Adda' started by PK787, Jun 18, 2012.

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  1. PK787

    PK787 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Why did Pakistan produce the lovely Coke Studio music series and not India? Why is Pakistan’s Coke Studio more popular with many Indians over the new Indian version? Is it because Pakistan’s musicians are better or more creative than India’s?

    Let’s explore the question.

    My introduction to this sort of music came before Coke Studio began. It happened many years ago when I was staying in Lahore with my friend Iftikhar, a retired colonel from Musharraf‘s batch in the Pakistan Military Academy.
    One evening Ifti, who is sadly no longer with us, took me to the Waris Road residence of Masood Hasan, later to become a fellow columnist of mine at The News. We had a few glasses of the good stuff with some other guests, and then Hasan took us to a part of the property where his son Mekaal had built a studio and was playing with his band.

    This was when I first heard the music that is now so distinctively the sound of Coke Studio. I would define it as a folk song or raag-based melody, layered with western orchestration. This included a synthesizer wash, guitars, a drummer, a bass punctuating the chord changes, and backing vocals and harmony. Essentially it was traditional Hindustani music made palatable for ears accustomed to listening to more popular music.

    Mekaal did this very well and his band’s first album, Sampooran, is as good as anything produced by Rohail Hyatt at Coke Studio later.

    Indeed, many of the musicians Mekaal worked with, eventually ended up at Coke Studio. Gumby, the Karachi drummer on Coke Studio’s first four seasons, played on Sampooran. Zeb and Haniya, the stars of Coke Studio 2, were originally produced by Mekaal.

    The first-rate Hindustani singer Javed Bashir who adds depth to the singers who are not classically trained, used to be lead singer with Mekaal’s band. The great Ghulam Ali was on a flight with me from Ahmedabad to Bombay once and I told him I was friends with Javed. “Mera hi bachcha hai,†he said with great pride.

    Lahore’s Pappu, Pakistan’s best flutist, has played flute for Mekaal’s records.

    Gumby and I went to a concert next to my house where guitarists Frank Gambale and Maurizio Colonna played. Gumby says Colonna’s playing brought tears to his eyes. Javed and I have drunk a few places dry, and been banned from one. Mekaal is of course a dear friend, as are Zeb and Haniya.

    I’m dropping all these names so it is understood that I am familiar with the music and the musicians as few Pakistanis are.

    Now to understand why India did not produce Coke Studio but Pakistan did. The reason is linked to what I said earlier – that Coke Studio is a popular interpretation of India’s traditional music.

    India’s talented musicians and producers have a commercial outlet:Bollywood. This is where money is made and this is where Pakistan’s singers who want commercial success must also come.

    Their talent, however, is spent on making music that is purely popular, because that is what they are paid big money for. Indian musicians like Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy and Kailash Kher can make
    Coke Studio’s sort of classical-popular mix of music easily if they set aside a couple of months for it. They choose not to however, because their working day is spent making music
    that makes them rich (Kailash, whom I’ve known since before he sang for Bollywood, today charges Rs 20 lakh for a two hour concert).

    In Pakistan there is no commerce in music, and even the most talented musicians must do something other than sing or play to get by. Mekaal for instance, rents out his studio. The disadvantages of not having a commercial outlet for your talent are many. The only advantage of this is that musicians are free to make popular music that is still non-commercial.

    Fortunately for all of us, whether Indian or Pakistani, Rohail Hyatt and his team have used this space to produce the music that we love so much. The reason why Coca Cola produces it is that the Pakistani public will not directly pay for it, unlike Indians and Bollywood.

    It is cruel to say this, but it is true.
    Why Pakistan’s Coke studio beats India’s hollow | Firstpost
     
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  2. RobbieS

    RobbieS 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Very well put. We have greater talent and a richer tradition in music, but Bollywood sucks it all dry. A less lucrative film scene in Pakistan helps preserve Pakistani folk better.
     
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    I only had to say....Pakistan has no clue how many types of music India has.

    If he is comparing Bollywood music, it is intentionally not made folklike or classical. It is serving a different purpose and we are quite successful with it. :)

    Anyways whatever floats the boat..
     
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  4. kaku

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    i don't understand why they always try to compare everything India?

    If they want pakistani media then develop it, but dont blame it and compare it with Bollywood.
     
  5. Manmohan Yadav

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    Naa,
    i dont waste my time watching shows that are licensed copies
    i rather watch the originals shows.
     
  6. true

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    Sir,

    I donot understand that why we comparing us with pakistan ? The great pride of man, the Pakistanis do not realize. There is no true democracy in Pakistan. so They have diverted their own minds.

    Jai Hind.:india:
     
  7. PK787

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    the article is written by indian, lol, pakistanis simply dont care, indians are obsessed
     
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    my favourite coke studio song :smitten:
     
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    What is the scoop for these people?

    Is there any future for them in Pakistan?

    Will this talent earn them roti in Pakistan?

    You know and i know where they will end up:india::india::india::azn::azn:
     
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    Pakistan just copied Coke Studio Brazil...


    First 2 seasons of Coke Studio Pakistan were a big flopp... its only after Arif Lohar performed with Meesa Ali and produced "Alif Allah" coke studio Pakistan Picked up....


    No... its just that majority of Pakistanis sing in either Urdu...or Punjabi..and these languages have huge population of people who either understand or us that language on daily basis...

    In short....Making music should help you feed your family too....
     
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    copied from brazil? do you see us playing brazilian music? that means coke studio india was stolen from brazil and so was coke studio middle east, making music should help us spread positivity

    most of them havnt been to india in their whole life :cheesy: and its not their fault that your country lacks in talent and is dying to import pakistani talent
     
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    You can get back to your television screens, your shows and your functions. You can estimate the size of Bollywood size. We don't ask them to come to India, but they approach us to work and earn which is not happening in Pakistan. You can see the history of past 50 years of Bollywood and can compare yourself. If you can't do the analysis, I can understand that could be the madarsa education you got in Pakistan.
     
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    PK787 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    they approach you? yeah right, whatever makes you feel better, singers arnt making money in pakistan? stop making stupid conceptions, why are indian actors acting in hollywood movies? are they not getting paid enough? india has no platforms for them? use your knowledge which you got from a normal school and stop ranting, thank you and go argue with the your countryman who wrote the article, not me
     
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    enjoy this song
     
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    neil_diablos Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Let me give a quick introduction about my background...

    While most of you don't know a note from a chord, I have been performing on stage since my school days. I can play the guitar, bass, drums AND keyboards. I have worked on 2 commercially released albums for a band in Kolkata and have also served as a session musician for other bands. (Can prove this actually!) I had 2 rock bands of my own where I was the lead vocals and was completely into glam metal in my younger days.

    @PK787, true and tangocharlie.... Stop trolling against each other! This thread is related to music so lets stick to that only!
    @PK787....You have posted a good article and I appreciate that.

    When it comes to music Hindustan and Pakistan share the same roots and genres. While I don't like most things about Pakistan in general, I do acknowledge the fact that coke studio has done a great job in the Pakistan music scene. The genre we are discussing here is "fusion". Indian Ocean, Kailash Kher, Rabbi Sher Gill and likes have been doing this for years and quite successfully. In Kolkata, bands like Bhoomi, Paraspathar, Kalpurush and others have been doing this (combining folk with western tunes and instruments) quite successfully for decades. Now the trend is to experiment with mainstream rabindrasangeet and applying western arrangements. One excellent example is the song "ekla cholo re" from the movie Kahani sung by BigB. While the tune has been kept the same as composed by Rabindranath Tagore decades ago, the instrumentation and arrangement is completely western with R&B elements with certain parts translated to Hindi.



    But the truth is that experimentation and fusion like this is overshadowed by mainstream bollywood music which is more popular with the general masses across India. India has a diverse culture, language and music which are quite different from each other. Therefore which folk tune/language would you work on to mass popularize it on a national scale? A few compositions like Kolaveri di, Bulla ki jana and the above example may become mass popular but this is just not enough to term this experimentation as widely successful. However that does not mean that there is a lack in talent as the article insinuates. Bands like these have definitely found regionalized popularity and have done extremely well. Opportunities in India are much more diverse than is pakistan, therefore if coke studio is doing great in Pakistan, good for them and pakistani music. However it cannot be defined as a benchmark for success and does not imply there is a lack in Indian musical talents.
     
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