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why SU 35 would nt pose any serious security threat to india's RAFALE ,

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by DrSomnath999, Mar 16, 2013.

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  1. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    There is a similar thread on keypub... Which becoming near ridiculous. According to russians, SU35 will detect Rafale at 3 hundred kilometers and kill it with 300 kms range missile...
     
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    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The Russians sound like used car salesmen. The Russians are fast-talking, lies and does it all with a smile on their face. They win your trust or bribe your military and polticans and then sells you a heap of junk that falls apart as soon as you drive it off the lot, or crashs, or you get a free aircraft carrier for 3 billion dollars. Bribes and corruption are one of the hazzards of two of the more corrupt countries on earth doing business together.
     
  3. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    Thats just Ridiculous
     
  4. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    I hate the INS Vikramaditya,
    please dont remind me of that Floating Scrap.
     
  5. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    That's only more extra take off weight, will a big part of it will be taken by the higher internal fuel capacity of course, but be it radar range, engine thrust, high number of hardpoints and payload, size both are very close to eachother and meant for similar roles too. That's where the EF would offer more differences to the UAE (more speed, higher ceilling, higher SC, longer radar detection, higher AAM load), so a real hi / low mix.
     
  6. smestarz

    smestarz Lt. Colonel REGISTERED

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    why is it ridiculous, does sound possible,
    IBRIS-E radar is known to be powerful but there is question about its ability so in Theory Su-35 can detect Rafale at distance of 300 kms but can it really do so, that is the question.

    Russians are developing newer missiles and they might be working on something like AWACS killer Novator to make it more capable. and thus therotically its possible.

    Therotically Rafale can also detect Su-35 using its SPECTRA and fire its missiles even without the Su-35 detecting it.
    There is pro Rafale camp and pro Su-35 Camp and both have good points to support their views but its mostly therotical as Rafale has not come up against a capable air force yet, and Su-35 is not really in full scale production, with just few planes delivered to Russian Air force.

    Surely the manufacturers are not going to tell all about their planes so all we need to do is to wait for more information possibly from users and pilots to get more credible information.

    Potentially and theoretically F-35 is one of the best plane around, but with all sort of information going around, people have a lot of doubts about this plane.
     
  7. smestarz

    smestarz Lt. Colonel REGISTERED

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    Some write up about the IRBIS-E radar of Su-35 on wiki
    Irbis-E - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Irbis-E can detect and track up to 30 airborne targets at one time at ranges near 400 kilometers, and attack up to 8. In air-to-surface mode the Irbis-E provides mapping allowing to attack four surface target with precision-guided weapons while scanning the horizon searching for airborne threats that can be engaged using active radar homing missiles.

    Detection range:
    with RCS 3 m2 - 350-400 km,(towards each other, in the area of 100 square degrees)[1]
    target RCS 0.01m - 90 km
    the same target up to 150 km (in pursuit of, in the area of 100 square degrees)

    This capability allows the aircraft to engage cruise missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles and fifth-generation stealth fighter aircraft, such as the F-22 and F-35, although at much lower ranges than normal targets. The Irbis-E was clearly designed to support the ramjet RVV-AE-PD/R-77M missile in Beyond Visual Range combat against reduced signature Western fighters like the Block-II F-18 Hornet and Eurofighter Typhoon.
     
  8. zambino

    zambino 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    but su30mki and su35 is almost the same, moreover when our su30mki 'll be upgraded to super su30mki then it 'll be just as the same if not more better than su35..
     
  9. zambino

    zambino 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    rafale ho ya su35.. Our tejas is the best.. ;)
     
  10. DragonFly

    DragonFly Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    This is not the reason why the probe was designed in such way. From the prototype Rafale A to the actual serie Rafale, design was simplified for a simple reason: These are combat aircraft, the more mobile parts you have, the higher the weight, complexity, cost, operational cost and servicing time, reliability risks and more to it, vulnerability to adverse fire.

    In order to achieve AdlA and MN requierements, airbrakes were deleted, number of mobile surfaces on the wind were reduced from 6 to 4 and underwing fairings from 4 to two.

    It gives you a more compact design, less likely to see systems failures, less vulnerable in combat and as performant in combat as needed and btw, there is more than enough room in this airframe to stich a retractable probe if you wish..
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    If I remember it correctly, retractable probe is also inferior in fuel flow rate.
     
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