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why SU 35 would nt pose any serious security threat to india's RAFALE ,

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by DrSomnath999, Mar 16, 2013.

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  1. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Well look at a french junior col, around 1.85 m, bond/red hair :))) friend of mine
     
  2. ASHRAF

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    JSOC is fantastic ,,, i saw it only in tv ..........
     
  3. ASHRAF

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    btw su-35 is different than su-30 and its not same capability ......
     
  4. DrSomnath999

    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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    YES

    A plane with straight air intake like this which exposes the entire engine compressor face to enemy radar is no way going to be stealthier than any
    4.5 gen fighters available in the market

    SU 35 's design is full of 90 degree corner relector more than rafale that is for sure

    Su 35 is built of far less composite materials than Rafale

    Su 35 's engine has far more IR signature than rafale's M88 engines as it has 2 cooling channels

    Su 35 's EWS suite is far inferior to rafale's Spectra EWS suite is capable of AESA jamming

    Su 35's RCS is around 2-3 m2 & on weapons load out it would be even higher as compare to Rafale 's rcs 0.1-0.2 m2 even if on weapons & fuel tank load out it would never be more than 2 m2 for sure
     
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    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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    French Sofradir is one of the pioneer in IR sensor making even pak fa IRST is rumoured to have some European Infrared sensor installed in it

    Kindly refer the link which i posted FSO undisclosed IR detection range is 130 km
     
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    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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    R 73 is formidable weapon no doubt about it but lacks range & R 73 Seeker would be vulnerable to future Dircm

    it' strue R 27 E t has range more than Mica but it is more than 100 km which makes IR signatures un predicatable on that range
     
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    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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    Garbage!!

    seriously clueless :lol:

    not worth replying
     
  8. DrSomnath999

    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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    says who ?? u sweet dreams !! :lol:
    Rafale has shown amazing turn rate with full load & drop tanks despite having an inferior thrust engines compare to Su 35
    http://topolo.free.fr/Compare/Rafale vs Typhoon.pdf

    SU 3 post stall manuveurabilty looks good for air shows but in realty turn rate is more important in combat
     
  9. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Hammer is a propulsion/guidance kit added to dumb bomb. Not that heavy. I did not intend to say SU35 is nothing but an excellent plane, however its ultimate SU27 family model, with no (or few) evolution ahead
     
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    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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    Hey boy

    R 77 missile is not a ramjet powered missile it's seeker had problems in Indian air force

    It's true SI 35 radar is more powerful than rafale but when one on one fight in BVR warfare it is a suicide to turn on your radar against Rafale ,as
    Rafale's spectra can passively locate air borne radar emitters much farther away than it's own RBE 2 aesa radar & can cue it's meteor missile wothout turning on it's own aesa radar for stealth reason

    SU 35 EWS system can cue only anti radiation missile but cannot cue active radar guided missiles

    R73 was 1st missil to use TVc ??
    so what it was not the last MICa also has TVC

    R 74 correct it is going to be future threat thats why rafale is DIRCM compatible in DDM ng to adress future threats
     
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    SU 34 may be different

    SU 35 is just a heavier & larger plane with no canards but they come from flanker derivatives
     
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    Range alone is not enough to decide about a missile. MICA-RF & IR, both can be fired in passive mod and also guided to the target while to fire R-27, the attacker will be forced to show himself up by operating his radar. And that is big handicap in modern day aircombat. one must remain silent, hidden and undetected as far as possible to get the advantage. MICA scores on that front against any missile in the world on all these parameters combined together. Once we talk of an RCS below 0.1m, we are looking at detection ranges by best of radars of not more than 80kms. Which means, before an air intercept radar detects Rafale, a MICA might already be on its way towards him guided by OSF.
     
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    vstol, did you design composites composition on your project (i mean cyanylacrilates or bmi?)
     
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    In early 21st century when IAF was inducting PESA-radar equipped jets, PLAAF was inducting slotted-array radar-equipped
    fighters, by 2015 (when Su35 could possibly be inducted, if deal is signed right away), PLAAF will be inducting PESA-radar
    equipped jets while IAF gets AESA-equipped ones (Super-MKI + Rafale).
     
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    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Agree, not mentioning NEZ at long range... Maybe too technical?
     
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