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why SU 35 would nt pose any serious security threat to india's RAFALE ,

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by DrSomnath999, Mar 16, 2013.

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  1. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Btw meteor seeker is derived from MICA one. Main force of MICA is to be atm the only BVR IR missile. VSTOL will explain you what a pilot can feel when shot by two mica, not knowing if they're IR or EW.NEZ meteor capability vs AMRAAM D is inherent to its dual propulsion system (if i'm not wong) : ramjet + some rocket.
    One should look at long range evolutions of Rafale system : incoming GaN antennas for specra in 2015. Ultimate goal being to fuse RBE2 and spectra.
    BTW, spet, who told you MKI can defeat Rafale hands down?
     
  2. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The only defence against an IR missile today is flares and some DIRCM. MICA uses FPA so IR flares non effective against it. The combination of launch platform and missile makes all the difference to get very high Pk in BVR. Rafale has a very very big advantage in that. Its ability to maintain datalink upgrade with missile while remaining passive is its biggest strength. MICA is a smokeless missile, so in a headon aspect, it will be picked up very late by MWRs of an aircraft while remaining invisible to naked eyes of a pilot. That obviates the need for using multiple missiles with different seekers to attack a target. The LOAL feature is another advantage wherein the missile does not need to use its own radar to detect the target till it is very close to it.
     
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  3. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Thx for analysis. If you could read how much mica was bashed on US forums... Btw some mica VL seem to be travelling to india
     
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  4. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Did you ever hear vstol about scarabee system (originally developed by jtacs in order to transmit vectorial images to planes)
     
  5. ASHRAF

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    you are mistaken .... rafale circular intakes which gives high rcs ,

    spectra is not proven against aesa radars and it need certain condition's to work out with success and reliable manner specially when using ur own radar ....

    rafale 0.1-0.2m2 rcs is not reall word figure , coz in real war it have to carry heavy big fuel tanks while su-35 dont have to do this and rafale real rcs will be more than 2-3 m2 and if you compare the powerful , big su-35 radar gain it will outperform rafale , rcs is relative to opponent radar gain not only your own rcs
     
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    what ur saying is not logic , r-27et is round clock ir seeker if its range is more than 100km dosent mean it cant be used at60 70, 80 90 km !!!!?? and who told you that ir signatures are not detectable at that range??? irst detect with help of radar also
     
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    turn radius is important in wvr and in surviving against bvr and sam shots and in su-35 tvc its zero :) , rafale have low top speed specially when loaded and have weak radar this is two reasons uae didnt buy it :) and when loaded it will not have high speed specially at hot weather or at sea level so its surviving against modern sam is not really as su-35
     
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    Hoyle also noted that the Libyan combat experience had caused several urgent operational requirements to present themselves, such as the need for a lighter ground-attack munition and for modifications to the AASM weapon to be more effective when used in the close air support role.[100]

    of course libyan forces could be defeated by f4 and torando or su-25 ,,,coz qaddafi forces abandoned thier equipment in desert and rafale used its sensores on deserted equipment :)
     
  9. ASHRAF

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    r-77 new version is ramjet and have more range and have more g than meteor and have more than one type seeker ......
     
  10. ASHRAF

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    , flankers can shoot in stealthy manner without radar emissions in wvr as he can use his laser range finder only ....r-27 et is new missile its designed specially for low rcs , and rafale rcs is not small as u think in real battle,

    what ur saying is applicable on all modern ir missiles not only mica ,,,
     
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  11. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Wrong, Rafale's intakes are low-RCS... F-15/Su-27s intakes are worst when it comes to RCS.

    Some reports suggest that DASS can jam AESA radar, SPECTRA is similar to DASS.

    Rafale doesn't need to use radar, in any case side that uses radar gives opponent SA + first move advantage on a silver platter.
     
  12. ASHRAF

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    air-breathing ramjet (R-77M1)
     
  13. ASHRAF

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    i didnt say f-15 or su-35 are better i said circular air intakes and fuel tanks give high rcs , with powerful radar like f-15 or su-35 they have advantage coz the will burn through rafale first ,,,,,why f-15 did all victories with minimum losses u think ??

    and most fighters now can close their radars and use irst or second party like awacs but in total war this is not possible and you cant depend on this all the time , powerful su-35 or f-15 radar is important to help ur colleagues to turn off their own radars and u guied them from from safe distance , if u have small radar then u have to get more close or use awacs which is not possible always
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    I was adressing that particular point. Semi-circular air intakes are far better for side RCS than rectangular ones, as for frontal RCS, Rafale's air intakes are also superior to F-15/Su-27s when it comes to RCS, as from front, engine face is most important contributor to RCS:

    Rafale
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    F-15E
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    Su-30MKI
    [​IMG]

    Notice that, unlike F-15 and Su-30, Rafale's engine face is barely visible, despite all the effort photographer put into finding a right angle.

    In order of importance:
    1) better pilots
    2) superior numbers
    3) enemy lack of EW capabilities

    Using radar in total war is only a good way to perform assisted suicide.
     
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  15. ASHRAF

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    aesa was desnged to avoid getting suicide in this way ,,,,
     
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