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why SU 35 would nt pose any serious security threat to india's RAFALE ,

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by DrSomnath999, Mar 16, 2013.

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  1. ASHRAF

    ASHRAF FULL MEMBER

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    regarding your comment specially in red color its really not valid nowadays , it could be used by fighters like su-27-30-35-migs rafale etc and it was used sucessfully by mig-21 against f4 but nowadays it cant with systems like awacs , DASS ,etc coz now fighters have 360X360 degrees awarness and have before rwr , laser warning and missiles that will be launched in very wide angles and could reach 360degrees in near future , f-15 shot all migs over serbia by aim-120 AFAIk and many by aim-7 , aim-120 over iraq so its all radar guided , same happened when f-15 of saudi arabia shotdown 2 f4 of iran , and shot 2 iraqi mirage-f1 , powerfull radar with emcon aesa and dass like system gives great capability in bvr and wvr
     
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    The Tejas has its own advantage, the LCA is gap filler or you can say a way to achieve the number 62.5 of squadrons. The Tejas is never made to work alone, and its real advantage is lower RCS which can easily hide by the bigger aircrafts like SU-30 MKI. They are not made to work it alone.

    Just imagine on a strike mission a 5 LCA is flying with 3 SU-30 MKI, the real work of LCA is to escort the SUs. The enemy intercepted these planes from 100 KM, but the radar showing only 3 planes ( because of bigger RCS of SUs overlap the LCA). But as these plane come under 15 KM range, suddenly the radar shows that there is 8 planes, just think how much terror they can create.

    The LCA is not loin that it fly alone, but it is like a wolf that hunt down the plane from behind. And that is the real advantage of Tejas.
     
  3. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Incorrect, actually. IRST is the only system capable of detecting passive opponent completely passively, and only fighters which have rearward-facing IRST are PAK FA and *maybe* F-35. Some Russian fighters do have rearward-facing radars, but these come into section of "active sensors", so such fighters can still be surprised (sneak up to just beyond his radar range, fire a missile and sneak out).

    Thanks to OPFOR's incompetence, mostly, but even then most shots were taken from within visual range.

    It also gives a capable enemy free shots.
     
  4. ASHRAF

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    what i mean as long as fighter is not stealth in design like f22 , its useless to consider rcs as low to justify radar weakness , it should get powerfull one to compensate as all non-stealthy fighter have to carry waepons and fuel underwings
     
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    noooo >>> i will give u links of manufactures cataloges later today , there is more than irst
     
  6. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Radar is active sensor, and it is not smart to use active sensors in war. That's what I'm talking about, radar's strength has little to do with it.

    Oh, sure, there is passive radar but it can't be deployed on fighters. Some IRSTs are coupled with video cameras, but even then IRST is primary sensor, so you're actually right.
     
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    huh, whats your point? Radar is active, so we does,t need to use it??

    IRST is only useful if your plane is already in air, a good IRST can detect a not afterburning target from 45 KMs.

    So, if more then 8 planes is coming to strike a city, then what you gona do, alerting the airbase to send more squds..

    And my estimation is that a whole squd. takes around 10- 15 min to take off, even it may be higher.At a mean time, at mach 1 or 2 the enemy planes already bombed down the city, so whats the usefulness of IRST. You need highly sensitive radars ( even it is larger ) to detect 0.5 m2 RCS from 100 KMs or may be 150 KMs ( like SUs).

    The purpose of IRST is for offensive purpose not for defensive.
     
  8. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    In air to air, yes.

    Range against non-afterburning targets is 50 km from front and 90 km from rear for OLS-35, 90 km from front and 150 km from rear for PIRATE.

    Wtf? Explain.

    As far as ground sensors are concerned, passive and VHF radars are perfectly good as early warning devices. Then there are space-based sensors and such. But I wasn't talking about that.

    So you're suggesting that, "I'm on defensive so I well may kill myself, even if I have IRST and can receive data from ground based systems"?

    Purpose of IRST is air to air combat, regardless of nature of that combat.
     
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    to detect or intercept smart radar like new generation is not easy so its called , LPI LPD , radars were made to be used not to be turned off but it should be used in controlled and wise manner with other sensors and other platforms like awacs and isr etc
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    It depends on technology both sides have, EU countries have technology to detect and jam LPI radars, Russia and China probably have it, too.
     
  11. DrSomnath999

    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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    mistaken is infact u as u have zero knowledge about stealth Rafale's has kidney shaped air intakes in which engine's face is barely visible compare to
    SU 35 intakes & thats not all SU 35's rectangular air intakes gives 90 degree corner reflector in it's fuselarge section

    Blah!!!
    2)THALES AND ELECTRONIC WARFARE:
    [​IMG]
    http://www.thalesgroup.com/Press_Releases/Documents/aerospace_pr_Rafale_press_kit_131109/






    rafale also has CFT configuration ,customers like india who are willing to pay cash can have such configuration

    One more thing i like to stress
    Rafale's SPECTRA system is known to have active cancelling technolgy

    According to the article by Bill Sweetman, published in Popular Science,


     
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  12. DrSomnath999

    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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    No boy !!
    what i meant is it is for long range attack yes it can be shot at 70-90 km range but IR guided missiles are not effective at such long range(low Kill probabilty)but within 50km are the effective range for such missiles(high Kill probabilty)

    it can be detectable Under ideal conditions only but not under cloudy /humid climate as IR seekers cant penetrate like EM radiations could
    [​IMG]

    IRST detects IR detections only RADAR has nothing to do with IRST thats why it is called passive detection
     
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    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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    = B.S

    Rafale has performed considerably well in qatar evaluations that was also in hot & humid climate

    FROM AIR & COSMOS MAGAZINE FEB 2013
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    Rafale would have outperformed F15 & F18 in qatar
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    translate:
    Over thirty missions assessments that are
    held in Doha in the summer, the Rafale was able to show its potential in terms Qatari airmen "hot weather". So much so
    although government sources, it would simply
    outperformed the U.S. competition (F15 strike eagle and F / A 18E / F Super Hornet), also assessed by Qatar, who still plans to replace its Mirage 2005
     
  14. DrSomnath999

    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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    Another garbage from garbage boy

    GOD knows from where he had copy pasted sucg b.s info:lol:

    Hey boy

    U better check the SEAD missions done by rafale through hammer missiles
     
  15. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    It's clear that he doesn't understand what he's saying, just like most stealth proponents...
     
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