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WikiLeaks cables: Rahul Gandhi warned US of Hindu extremist threat

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  1. Osiris

    Osiris Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Rahul Gandhi, the "crown prince" of Indian politics, told the US ambassador at a lunch last year that Hindu extremist groups could pose a greater threat to his country than Muslim militants.

    In controversial comments likely to cause a storm in India, Gandhi – considered a likely prime ministerial candidate and a scion of the country's leading political family – warned Timothy Roemer that although "there was evidence of some support for [Islamic terrorist group Laskar-e-Taiba] among certain elements in India's indigenous Muslim community, the bigger threat may be the growth of radicalised Hindu groups, which create religious tensions and political confrontations with the Muslim community".

    The 40-year-old politician, the son of the Congress party president, Sonia Gandhi, told the ambassador that "the risk of a "homegrown" extremist front, reacting to terror attacks coming from Pakistan or from Islamist groups in India, was a growing concern and one that demanded constant attention".

    The US view of him has evolved. In late 2007, US diplomats described the young politician, recently appointed to lead the Congress youth wing, as "widely viewed as an empty suit and will have to prove wrong those who dismiss him as a lightweight".

    "To do so he will have to demonstrate determination, depth, savvy and stamina. He will need to get his hands dirty in the untidy and ruthless business that is Indian politics," one said in a cable entitled The son also rises: Rahul Gandhi takes another step towards top job.

    Other cables talk of Gandhi's political inexperience and repeated gaffes. They also repeat cutting criticism from political analysts and journalists.

    However as Gandhi warmed to the US, the US warmed to him. In a meeting with another American official last summer, he explained his strategy of targeting rural populations and small towns, impressing his interlocutor.

    "[Gandhi] came off as a practiced politician who knew how to get his message across, was precise and articulate and demonstrated a mastery that belied the image some have of [him] as a dilettante," the official said.

    In November last year, after a meeting with the US ambassador, a cable to Washington described Gandhi as "an elusive contact in the past" but now "clearly interested in reaching out to the USG [United States government]".

    A cable from February this year describes him as "increasingly sure-footed".

    For Roemer, writing after the lunch during which Gandhi had commented on extremism, "the rising profile of young leaders like Rahul Gandhi provides [the USA with] an opening to expand the constituency in support of the strategic partnership with a long term horizon".

    WikiLeaks cables: Rahul Gandhi warned US of Hindu extremist threat | World news | The Guardian
     
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    tariqkhan18 Major Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    Militancy of any sort should be eliminated to the teeth. It is a threat to the stability of India.
     
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    Rahul Gandhi warned U.S. of growth of extremist Hindu groups: WikiLeaks

    Rahul Gandhi, the "crown prince" of Indian politics, told the American ambassador last year that Hindu extremist groups could pose a greater threat to his country than Muslim militants.

    In comments likely to cause a storm in India, Gandhi, who is considered a likely prime ministerial candidate, warned Timothy Roemer that though "there was evidence of some support for [Islamist group Lashkar-e-Taiba] among certain elements in India's indigenous Muslim community, the bigger threat may be the growth of radicalised Hindu groups, which create religious tensions and political confrontations with the Muslim community".

    The 40-year-old son of the Congress party president, Sonia Gandhi, said that "the risk of a 'home-grown' extremist front, reacting to terror attacks coming from Pakistan or from Islamist groups in India, was a growing concern and one that demanded constant attention".

    His words were revealed in one of 4,000 leaked U.S. diplomatic cables sent from Delhi. The cables reveal a difficult but increasingly warm relationship between a prickly emerging power and a superpower keen to be friends but on its own terms.

    The Americans are keen to find allies in the "raucous democracy" of India, and appear to believe Rahul Gandhi could be one. Though earlier dispatches were sceptical of his prospects, Mr. Roemer recently told Washington "the rising profile of young leaders like Rahul Gandhi provides us an opening to expand the constituency in support of the strategic partnership".

    In the cables, U.S. diplomats complain of bureaucratic inertia, a lack of capacity, oversensitivity, corrupt or populist politicians and a bureaucracy stuck in the era of the cold war. However, they appear to recognise that a respectful and conciliatory approach to the booming and increasingly self-confident India pays dividends. Despite worries about torture, corruption and deep social problems, US diplomats still see the country as a natural ally.

    Their view of Indian politicians is variable, however. The failure of Sonia Gandhi, who chairs the ruling United Progressive Alliance coalition, to overcome opposition to a nuclear power agreement is criticised heavily.

    A deal would see, the U.S. diplomats said, a big boost for clean energy in India and a market worth $150bn for American companies. "Mrs Gandhi never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity," one cable sent in November 2007 said.

    Public anger after the terrorist attacks on Mumbai in November 2008 had allowed "people to vent other long-simmering grievances against government - its corruption, its pompous use of symbols of authority like security guards and vehicle sirens, its indifference to providing health and education services", a cable sent in December 2008 said.

    Indian officials repeatedly protest that America is too soft on Pakistan and make demands for Washington to insist on Islamabad, or the Pakistani army, shutting down Lashkar e-Taiba. "If you want to end malaria you have to get rid of the swamp," the Indian national security adviser told the FBI director last year. Another recurrent topic is the Indian fear of a U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan allowing a "fanatical" regime influenced by Pakistan to take over.

    In the face of pressure from American diplomats to encourage democracy in Burma, Indian officials are frank. One, in 2004, is reported as saying that Aung San Suu Kyi's "day has come and gone" adding that the UN has little credibility and the EU is too "obvious, shabby, shortsighted ... to play a meaningful role in the country".

    On Iran too, there are tensions. In May 2008 India's then foreign secretary, Shiv Shankar Menon, met the U.S. ambassador after a stopover in India by the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Mr. Menon did not like Ahmadinejad's "self-congratulatory, self-referential" style, but cautioned that "this government has to be seen following an independent foreign policy, not responding to dictation from the U.S.". Another cable describes Indians as "loth to admit publicly that India and the US have begun co-ordinating foreign policies". Mr. Menon told one top visiting US official that there was no "big idea" to energise Indo-American relations.

    The relationship between India and the U.S. appears best characterised by a 2006 meeting between Maria Shriver, wife of the California governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Sonia Gandhi. The meeting, U.S. diplomats reported, went well. "Usually withdrawn and reserved ... this was a more relaxed Sonia, possibly because she felt a personal rapport with Maria Shriver," one official wrote to Washington.

    Yet a different reading of the meeting was possible. When Shriver congratulated Ms. Gandhi for her resoluteness and called her "courageous", her interlocutor was "clearly embarrassed by this adulation". Invited to a "women's conference" in California, Gandhi "made no commitment to attend."

    The Hindu : News / National : Rahul Gandhi warned U.S. of growth of extremist Hindu groups: WikiLeaks
     
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    Osiris Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    as we all know who this raul vinci is dont want to divert issues on that...my question is sharing Indian intelligence news with a foreign ambassador is that correct?
     
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    Could you be more specific please, which "intelligence news" was shared?
     
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    Referring to this i think!

     
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    When was he appointed as the spokesperson to talk to diplomats regarding internal security issues??
     
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    In case the member was referring to that remark

    1) It wasn't any secret intelligence finding that he was sharing with the diplomat
    2) It was totally speculative

    Any private citizen can give his personal opinion. He does not need anyone's prior permission to speak out unless it is a classified information.
     
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    Osiris Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    it was an intelligence report,only this year home minister reveal that to public (i started a thread here on that issue)..and as an MP sharing of such info to a foreign diplomat is not good



    He is a member of parliament , not a private citizen
     
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    Osiris Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    and this wiki leak will show the anti Hindu nature of Congress party and its leadership
     
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    I wonder they have any other leak regarding other MPs or incase any other "private citizens". :lol:
     
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    You naive enuf to think that the Ambassador himself doesn't know that? There's nothing wrong with what RG has done. He has indicated that we have nothing to hide or sweep under the carpet. This is the real reason why the world is not very bothered about Hindu terrorism. It knows that Indian leaders are aware of it and are trying to address it--unlike BJP which tries to sweep it under the carpet.
     
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    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    Inaccurate statement. As a public figure even MPs are allowed to point out any general opinions. It is ok as long as he doesn't make any specific reference to reports, which he hasn't. In a general discussion he voiced HIS opinion that hindu terror is likely to be bigger threat in the future. No issues with it.
     
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    Osiris Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    ambassador knew it or unaware of it is not an issue...but a member of Parliament sharing such info with a foreign diplomat is not good....he is not intelligence chief to share such info...dont be so naive
    he indicated that to America...for what? for drone strike on Hindus or sent their army to India and kill Hindus?
    if congress leaders aware of it they must take action.instead of using it for Muslim appeasing
     
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