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WikiLeaks cables: Rahul Gandhi warned US of Hindu extremist threat

Discussion in 'National Politics' started by Osiris, Dec 17, 2010.

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  1. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    No it isn't. These are trusts with their own boards. The revenue generated is always governed by the trusts. As coltsfan said, in the case of certain large temples IAS officers are deputed for the board. The revenue is not taxed and their expenditure on charity is neglible in comparison to say...building a 'golden vimana' for the temple.
     
  2. Osiris

    Osiris Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    will start a thread on this issue and we can discuss it there (we can also discuss bout hajj and jerusalem subsidies there) lets keep this on rauls comment

    (my knowledge on temple revenue and expenditures are low,so karthick sri,abirbec,illuminati and brainy can give much info...)

    then i may be wrong
     
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  3. SpArK

    SpArK SorCeroR Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    Rahul Gandhi becoming increasingly sure-footed, said US cable in Feb​


    Citing Rahul Gandhi's move to take on Shiv Sena's "xenophobic agenda," a secret memo from the US embassy in New Delhi in February this year said the young Congress leader appears to be becoming increasingly sure-footed in his political instincts.

    The secret cable released by WikiLeaks is dated February 22, 2010 and is a diary of the political events in the country from January 30 to February 19.

    The document said Gandhi's blunt words against the "Maharashtra chauvinist" party, followed by his visit to Mumbai that came with a local train ride was a public relations bonanza for him.

    "Rahul Gandhi's Mumbai visit and his skirmish with the Maharashtra chauvinist Shiv Sena party shows he is becoming increasingly sure-footed in his political instincts," said the cable.

    The United States, which has accused WikiLeaks of stealing its secret cables, has refused to either deny or confirm the authenticity of these cables.

    "He (Gandhi) first hurled some blunt words at the Thackerays and Shiv Sena's xenophobic agenda. These were widely and sympathetically reported around the country.

    "He then took it a step further when the Shiv Sena issued 'Keep off Maharashtra' threats by going to the Thackerays' home ground of Mumbai, where he continued to take shots at them," the cable says referring to the political events of those days.

    "He (Gandhi) topped it off by showing the common touch when he made a last minute change in his itinerary to travel across town in a second-class train compartment.

    "All in all, a public relations bonanza for Rahul as the press gave wide coverage to his Shiv Sena bashing and his train ride. Forty Shiv Sena activists were detained by the police for Rahul's visit," the cable observed.

    Not to be outdone, the Shiv Sena has been grabbing headlines in recent days with its attacks on Rahul, Reliance Group's Mukesh Ambani and Bollywood icon Shahrukh Khan, the cable said.

    It adds that the Shiv Sena has also been in a tussle with RSS, the parent organisation of its ally the BJP, over the rights of North Indian migrants in Mumbai.

    "Media reports a rift between the RSS and the Shiv Sena over the Sena's verbal attacks on migrants from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh.

    "Rahul Gandhi came to the defence of North Indians living and working in Mumbai during an ongoing visit to Bihar by telling the press that the Sena was irrelevant and that all Indians had a right to reside freely in India," it said.

    The document noted that Shiv Sena supremo Bal Thackeray responded by launching an attack on Rahul Gandhi's "Italian Mummy," referring to UPA chief Sonia Gandhi.


    Rahul Gandhi becoming increasingly sure-footed, said US cable in Feb - India - DNA
     
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  4. brain_dead

    brain_dead Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    i wonder what this joker of a man thinks about himself.
    he is warning US about Hindus as if Hindus are blowing themselves up in their cities on daily basis.
    this parasite has no idea vat hindu extremism is.
    but i can tell you all, that he just have to wait for 4-5 years more to see what exactly is hindu extremism.
    when he will be thrashed in public for all the dirty games he is playing in this country, he will actually realize what extremism is all about.

    bakre ki amma kab tak khair banaegi. ye italian bakra katega he katega. and as per constitution katega.
     
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  6. Osiris

    Osiris Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    US embassy cables: Ambassador warned that radical Hindu groups may pose bigger threat than LeT in India

    Monday, 03 August 2009, 14:29
    C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 NEW DELHI 001624
    SIPDIS
    EO 12958 DECL: 08/03/2019
    TAGS PREL, PGOV, IN
    SUBJECT: REACHING OUT TO RAHUL GANDHI AND OTHER YOUNG
    PARLIAMENTARIANS
    REF: SECTO 0008
    Classified By: AMB Timothy J. Roemer. Reasons 1.4 (B, D)

    1. (C) Summary: In a candid conversation with the Ambassador during the July 20 lunch hosted by Prime Minister Singh for the Secretary, Indian Congress Party General Secretary Rahul Gandhi described his focus on upcoming state and local elections, expressed concerns regarding the challenges surrounding the UPA coalition's ability to implement its programs, and speculated about radicalization among Hindus and Muslims. Gandhi was interested in engaging with the Ambassador and could become a key interlocutor, along with other young members of Parliament, as we pursue a Strategic Dialogue with India. End Summary.

    2. (C) During the Secretary's July 20 meetings in New Delhi (see reftel), Prime Minister Singh hosted a lunch in honor of the Secretary. Among the invitees was Indian Congress Party General Secretary Rahul Gandhi, as well as other prominent figures from politics, business and civil society. Gandhi, who was seated next to the Ambassador, shared his views on a range of political topics, social challenges, and electoral issues for the Congress Party in the next five years.

    Rural Strategy

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    3. (C) Gandhi stressed that his focus in the upcoming months would be on state assembly elections in Maharashtra and party building efforts at the local level. He was busy trying to recruit more appealing candidates to run for Member of Legislative Assembly (MLA) positions nationwide. Gandhi's focus was on finding younger party members who would not carry some of the baggage of older Congress candidates. He aimed at rebuilding party structures in small towns and rural areas to attract voters and believed the main opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) was vulnerable there. He did not seem to be as focused on electoral efforts in bigger cities, such as Delhi and Mumbai.

    Honeymoon is Over

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    4. (C) Noting that the Congress Party victory in this past spring's parliamentary elections had put the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government in a comfortable position, Gandhi still expressed concerns about the numerous challenges regarding the UPA's ability to implement its programs in Parliament. He said that the honeymoon period had been short and he now expected the BJP and Left Parties would be unrelenting critics of the government's program. Speaking while the budget session of Parliament was ongoing, Gandhi touched on the difficulties in keeping the UPA coalition on the right track. (Note: This conversation took place before the full scope of opposition to the July 16 Indo-Pakistani joint statement in Sharm el Sheikh had become apparent. End Note.)

    Creeping Radicalization?

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    5. (C) Responding to the Ambassador's query about Lashkar-e-Taiba's activities in the region and immediate threat to India, Gandhi said there was evidence of some support for the group among certain elements in India's indigenous Muslim community. However, Gandhi warned, the bigger threat may be the growth of radicalized Hindu groups, which create religious tensions and political confrontations with the Muslim community. (Comment: Gandhi was referring to the tensions created by some of the more polarizing figures in the BJP such as Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi.) The risk of a "home-grown" extremist front, reacting to terror attacks coming from Pakistan or from Islamist groups in India, was a growing concern and one that demanded constant attention.

    Comment

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    6. (C) Gandhi was forthright in describing the challenges faced by the Congress Party and the UPA government in the months ahead. Over the past four years, he was an elusive contact, but he could be interested in reaching out to the United States, given a thoughtful, politically sensitive and strategic approach on our part. We will seek other opportunities to engage with him and with other promising

    NEW DELHI 00001624 002 OF 002

    young members of the new generation of parliamentarians. Gandhi mentioned that in the recent election 60 members of the new Parliament were 45 or younger. In a system long viewed as relatively static, the influx of new faces and the rising profile of young leaders like Rahul Gandhi provides us an opening to expand the constituency in support of the strategic partnership with a long term horizon.

    ROEMER

    US embassy cables: Ambassador warned that radical Hindu groups may pose bigger threat than LeT in India | World news | guardian.co.uk
     
  7. Osiris

    Osiris Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    check his comments Hindu radicals are bigger treat than Pakistan,Let and other foreign funded extremist organizations lol
     
  8. Coltsfan

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    Rise of Hindu militancy in response to Pakistan sponsored Islamic terrorism is a bigger threat, ofcourse. Why do you find it amusing?
     
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  9. Osiris

    Osiris Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    how can we blame US for their inaction on terrorism from pakistain ...when PM in waiting claims LeT and Pak based terrorists are less threat compared to domestic radicals
     
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    1) We should not be expecting/blaming any other country to solve our problems
    2) Seems like you have already accepted RG as PM in waiting
    3) You are misconstruing what he said. He has said that the possible rise of majority extremism in response to Pak sponsored terrorism is a bigger threat

    India can manage terrorists incidents at hands of Pakistani terrorists. However, growth of Hindu militancy in response to terrorists attacks aimed at Indian Muslims is exactly what Pakistan wants and it poses a much bigger threat to Indian security and civil structure.
     
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  12. Osiris

    Osiris Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    1)since u r defendig Raul vincis statement plz answer a question is any case of hindu extremism proved in India? i mean in court...

    2) issue of Pakistan sponsored terrorism is a proved case in india no need of a debate on that

    3) read his exact words

    check the first qoute
     
  13. Coltsfan

    Coltsfan <b>SENIOR MEMBER</b> SENIOR MEMBER

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    I am not defending Rahul Gandhi's view point. However, I do agree with the statements. Demolition of Babri mosque is one glaring example of Hindu extremism that is well documented.
     
  14. Osiris

    Osiris Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    ^^^^ i asked that proved in judiciary ...Case of Demolition of disputed structure in ayodhya is at court, ie the criminal conspiracy is not proven yet
     
  15. brain_dead

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    actually when u keep suppressing the feelings of people for decades after decades and centuries after centuries, it is bound to backfire.
    it is just too natural.
    had Muslims peacefully handed over the ayodhya land to Hindus, none of this sort would have happened.
    it was/is moral duty of Muslims to hand over that land, that is considered to be utmost sacred to Hindus, for Muslims it/was just any other mosque, but for Hindus its not just a temple.
    i dont want to get into this whole mandir masjid arguement, but if Muslims want, this issue can be settled within minutes if only they loosen their rigid stand.
     
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