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Will India develop its own light tank to counter China Xingingtan for High altitude warfare? Options

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by LonewolfSandeep, Jul 10, 2017.

  1. LonewolfSandeep

    LonewolfSandeep Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    The areas where we can take and manuver tanks ; ie the Terrain
    where we can have Tank warfare ; we have already deployed T 72 and BMP 2

    T 72 is good enough for these Chinese junk
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    There are less than a dozen place where Tanks [Light or heavy ] can be used along India-Tibet border.

    And for those areas presently we have T72M1 deployed and ~350 T90 on order.

    Rest @kaku @Hellfire @MilSpec can tell better.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    No, I'll say again....NO.

    The concept of a "light tank" in the modern age is stupid given the proliferation of heavy weaponary within infantry units. If it is true that the Xingingtan tank has only enough armour protection in some places to only withstand 12.7mm fire then the Carl Gustufs of the IA's infantry btns are going to shred these things up forget the 20/30 mm cannons of the LCH/Rudra and Apache*.

    The general trend for armoured vehicles these days is for an increase in weight, not the reverse.

    I would desperatly like to see the "Tank Ex" revived but this time with an uprgraded T-72 hull with a brand new powerplant (>1,200 hp) and the Arjun Mk.2's turret, this thing would be the KING of the North.

    *We don't even need to talk about ATGMs
     
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    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    We have plenty of Jeep mounted 106 mm RCLs

    Also The Retired T 55 and Vijayantas are being used as Pill Boxes
    With their 105 mm Guns tearing Pakistani bunkers to shreds

    Some of them can be relocated to Ladakh and Sikkim
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    I'd prefer some new tech instead of reviving old and "jugaad" bro. How about mounting an unmanned 105mm turret to the Kestral (similar to the Stryker's mobile gun system)?
     
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    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    It is like asking a poor Man to eat cake when he wants only Bread :biggthumpup:

    Where is the money Sir ji
     
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    LonewolfSandeep Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    India T72 & t90 are already deployed where it can be, but then its weight comes to limit in high altitude, which China xingingtan be able to overpower our Infantry in high altitude by armour.. (yes our soldiers are better trained, but cant deny the advantages of armour)

    So the point being while, chinese tanks can cross Himalayas in light tank, India can best only use it to defenses, If push comes to shove we cant use it for deep penetration, while china can, (and where it is deployed, being heavy it wont be as muneraviable in high altitude)

    Lets not even talk of Indian Attack chopters, afterall at what numbers do we have VS High quantity China attack choppers deployed close to India china border.
    Yes at on point in time when we have sufficient numbers, it be different, but right now we lack in heavy armour & sufficient number of attack helicopters vs our infantary in these high altitude.

    War is not only defence, but offence ability to go deep in enemy territory, which instills fear of territory loss. Right now high altitude armour & attack helicopter benefit is with China in sheer numbers, they know they can push, they are not expecting India to push back in any sector where they not being the instigators - thats a serious capability gap
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Perhaps in the billions the Indian mil returns in unspent CAPEX every year to the Fin Min a few pennies could be found for some innovative ideas ;)
     
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    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    CAPEX is not returned ; It is used as Revenue expenditure
    That is Another word for Buying the Same stuff or Repeat Orders
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    By the time India could develop and deploy its own light tank the number of attack helos will be more than enough case closed :p

    Even this year 2 SQNs of Rudras will be stood up in the NE (every year another 2-3 SQNs of Rudras will be churned out), the LCH will enter production in 2018-20 and the Apaches will be in Indian hands from 2019.

    As I said, any thrust by the Chinese in their thin metal coffins will be shredded by local infantry units without even needing to rely on air support.
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    You should actually send such a proposal to PMO and MoD.

    Jaitely himself may not care but officials in MoD and the boss of PMO genuinely care for such things.
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    CAPEX is actually returned to Finance Ministry by Defence Ministry.
     

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