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World Military Strength, The 15 countries with the highest military expenditure

Discussion in 'International Relations' started by santosh, Mar 27, 2014.

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  1. HMS Astute

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    Majority of the casualties would be Indians...
     
  2. santosh

    santosh Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Military Strength Based on Man Power

    India may need to double its Military Man Power to upto 10mil+ within few years

    sir, we are moving towards a very uncertain world environment, enemy countries, mainly Pakistan+Bangladesh, are finding the people from India within to use them against the nation, India. who are also having a certain level of support from UK/US/Commonwealth nations too. while Azmal Kasab type people coming from Pakistan+Bangladesh, as 'Indian' Muzahidin with Hindu type red stings on hands, has also been a serious threat imposed on India the nation, on its people/society. and i find Bangladeshi infiltrators as the most serious threat imposed on this country, backed by UK and its friendly countries, the certain reason why we find IM growing in the North East region now. Pakistani Muslims in Sikh turbans in Canada/UK has also been a news for us.....

    India may now need to double its Military Man Power within the next few years. and it would be done in the way,

    1st; just increase the Active Military Personnel by 50%, 500,000+, from the most competent ones of Reserve force itself, considering an Officer ranked person may handle 50 troops in place of 35-40, if required. if Indian Army may not find many officer ranked personnel from the reserve military personnel itself....

    2nd; increase the Paramilitary Military troop to 3.0mil+ within the next 3-6 months by inducting from the Reserve Troops itself. and it may be done in such a way, just increase upto 50% to upto double the numbers anywhere they are employed, which will itself help the new inductees have training etc, until they receive any new order......

    3rd; and have an aim of at least 5.0million+ Reserve Military troops by 2017, say.

    and if we have a look on Vietnam, population around 100million with 5.0mil+ troops in service, while India's youth population only would be at least 250million+, if we consider the age range from 16 years to upto 27 years of age, considering urgency of so troubling external world, and we may require to induct upto 5.0mil new military personnel, around 1.5%+ of them only, within the next 2-3 years.....

    and the overall goal would be to just double the Active Military to 2.5mil+ by 2017, Paramilitary forces to at least 4.0mil+ by 2017, with at least around 4.0 military in reserve.... with the first step to increase the active and paramilitary troops by upto 50%+ within the next 3-6 months from the Reserve military personnel itself, as an urgency :thumb:

    by the next 2-3 years, we will have the new age people entering in the Youth Population of the age 16-17 years. while Im mainly concerned to target the age ranger of 18-27 by the 2-3 years, the most competent/physically fit youth to be inducted in number upto 5.0mil by 2017, hopefully.

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    it will be discussed after wiping out Saudis and UAE both :tup:
     
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    Saudi Arabia haved 4th highest growth military spending in 2014. Russia third. China second and U.S. first place.

    But China are now little under dubble size down U.S. military spending of around 480 billion euro.

    Over 200 billion euro in chinese military spending. Is much but not highest. Russia will grove higher until 2025.

    The entire first team to replace equipment. Or the reserve force. I didnt knows really. Another poster knows?!
     
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    U.S. gonna take away best bombers B-2 and smaller in Army personnal before 2020. Maybe 450 billion euro in military spending.
     
  6. santosh

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    PD, i made the post as below regarding Rafale on another forum. how would you evaluate my post, a French Perspective? :coffee:


    => Rafale versus Sukhoi 30--which is your favourite?

    both of these 2 are of very different categories, and it just depends what you looking for...

    few points i would mention as below:

    1st: if India wants full tech transfer, 100% TOT on long run, like how India's policy is to either have home made birds or come with full TOT, then Su30mki win this race. we dont expect more than 75 to 80% tech transfer in case of Rafale ...

    2nd; for air superiority role, Super Sukhoi Su30mki clearly wins the race, because of its design for 'primarily' used for air dominance role. even if Rafale has been considered among the high end aircraft for dog fights too, true....

    3rd; Rafale won the MRCA (Multi Role Combat Aircraft) tender, after beating its competitors like Super Hornet, Mig35, SAb Grippen, F16 block70 standard, including Eurofighter Typhoon too? as per the evaluation of Indian Air Force, this aircraft emerged as the best Multi Role bird in today's world?

    Rafale is clearly the leader of today's Multi Role operation birds, if we dont consider 5th gen aircraft, which are yet to come in operation including F35, true... (as, we generally consider F22 used for 'strategic purpose' only during the 90s, suitable for only those operation where being true stealthy aircraft is the key. hence its limited number in US's inventory is always justified...)

    4th; Rafale is one of those aircraft which is manufactured by a single Manufacture, including it engine. similar to Russian and US's defence arms. even EFT Typhoon has legs of 4 EU's nations, along with Germany....

    5th; Rafale is the aircraft, which is the Top Gun of this member of P5s of UNSC, France. France is the only among the big economies of EU, who refused to buy F35..... a confidence they show, when they replacing their Mirages by Rafale only, without any foreign aircraft like F35 too.

    Rafale, which can work as a high end air superiority aircraft also, along with its leading multi role performance among all the 4++ gen aircraft....
    and this does give us a confidence in Rafale. as, France will do everything to keep upgrade its top gun till 2050. which will obviously help its buyers like India, Brazil, Switzerland....

    its a "guts feeling" in fact, how much you rely on the arm, you want to sell to others? :truestory:

    the main reasons why i have always been inclined to support Rafale for this MRCA project. :tup:

    (for example. how India currently upgrading its fleet of Mirage2000H to Mirage2000-5mk2 standard at present. while it bought these birds in 80s. the first upgraded Mirage2000-5mk2 is yet to arrive.... an aircraft is a project, which continue to its life, always upgrade is required.)
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    => i would personally like to see a pool of Rafale, not just 126 for this expected deal, but also IAC 2 must have half of its Multi Role aircraft as Rafale, i sincerely believe... as IAC 2 would hopefully come in operation by 2030, and we can't see any of the 5th gen aircraft, including naval version of Indo-Russian FGFA, would be considered as mature as 4++ aircraft.....

    aircraft carriers usually keeps Multi Role Aircraft, only US's ACs includes air superiority once too. and we find only Rafale among all the 4th gen aircraft, "primarily" designed for Multi Role Operations, which can work as a high end air superiority aircraft also.
    hence France reliance on Rafale only, without any pool of Air superiority aircraft does state the same...... like how India keeps Su30mki in number 300+ for this A2A operations requirements :thumb:
     
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    I would give the edge to the Rafail, Su 30 has a radar signature 4 times as large as the Rafail and as the ability of radar missiles grow,, the larger signature plane will all ways be the bigger and better target. Dog Fighting has largely been a thing of the past for along time. Its a romanatic vision of air warfare that has not existed for a long time and never did exist to the extent people think. Air warfare 90 is a war of ambushs.
     
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    I dont know how link of the above main news in broke. we have the same list for the year 2011 as below.

    can someone help us find the SIPRI list for the year 2013 and 2014? :coffee:

    The 15 countries with the highest military expenditure in 2011 (table) — www.sipri.org

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    hmm, they are two different type of aircraft, the reason we have MRCA deal for Multi Role aircraft, even if India has over 300+ SU30mki in its inventory for its 'primarily' A2A roles.

    also, there are many other factors, other than calculations of technical specifications.....

    it takes around 5 to 8 years to master an Aircraft, India is upgrading its fleet of Su30mki to Super Sukhoi standard too, which has been upgraded to to 'reasonable' level of Multi Role operations, reasonable level of A2G operations too. Indian pilots have over 15 years of experience on this bird, a full tech transfer has also occurred to date too, means now the HAL itself is matured enough on this bird, which is still producing the reaming order of SU30mki in India, under full tech transfer from Russia....

    if India want to use Rafale on long run, like how i would wish to see IAC2 to be loaded with Rafale, then it must prepare a ground of its transfer of production line, even if only 75%+ tech transfer it gets for Rafale....

    we finally talk like a lay man, the end result/final outcome of using an arm/a product, how would its overall performance will be achieved on the ground operations, on war scenario. and here, we find SU30mki as the already top gun of India in operations, with all the good and bad sides of this bird, and this is what we have at present :coffee:
     
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    thats what i discussed in my last post also, "calculation of technical specifications have limited meaning", we finally look for the "end result", how it is achieved, thats matters, regardless which arm you used....
     
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    hmmm, if i remember, a total of 230 + a deal of 40 extra for the Super Supkhoi standard for $4.1bil was signed in 2011-12, can someone check?

    the first two contract for SU30mki, signed in 1997 and 2003, has already been delivered. (if im not missing the dates/years.) only the latest 40 birds is in the production line. along with upgrading of the old SU30mki too :ranger:

    and considering its existing production line in India, having its full infrastructure and trained pilots, we were hoping extra 50+ Super Suphoi too.....
     
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    whats the category of 4++ aircraft? can you please help us get to know? how do you make difference between 4th and 4++ gen aircraft :tsk:
    :facepalm:

    just to inform you, the '4+', Mirage2000-5mk2 is more capable than any of the Chinese J10s, they have produced to date, their top gun...... and this is the same Mirage2000-5s, France is replacing with Rafale as the 'next gen' option, which will be used by over 2050 in French inventory as their top gun.....

    (just to clear bit more, French Mirage2000N of 2000-5mk2 standard, is considered 'too inferior' than the Rafale replacing them as the 'next gen' option for nuclear operations :wave:.
    this is the same aircraft, India keep for nuclear strikes, if required...... its not SU30mki but the Mirage2000h, India keep for nuclear strikes, for key A2G operations.....)

    just check with other members here, Pakistan's F16 block52 is considered as a better bird than any of the Chinese J10s, they have at present. Pakistan with 36 F16s of block52 standard, is considered as the most competent air bird on the Indian border at present. the F16 of block52 standard, which hardly qualify among the '4+' gen aircrafts :wave:
     
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    sg, we generally talk, for any key operations, 10 Rafale + 10 LCA mech 2 standard, would produce as good result as 20 Rafale for any multi role operations. ....

    and with higher side of upgrading of LCA to raising it above the mech 2 standard, we see 36 Rafale + 90 LCA mech 2 would be as good as 126 Rafale for any multi role air field operation as whole .... :thumb:
     
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    sir, first we talk like a 'lay man' while discussing about an arm. and that is, "until an arm come in full operation, tested in war scenario too, all the claims of superiority is just in air. all bluffs...." :wave:

    the so called 5th gen F22, with closed to 100% stealthy features if its armed with limited weapons, and US used it as a "strategic deterrence" only during the 90s.....

    i always made an argument, "how did US developed a twine engine 5th gen aircraft, the F22, which had achieved its 'fitness landscape' in 90s itself, 'the minimum expected performance', while its still struggling to achieve IOC of its single engine F35 after 20 years since then????" :tsk:
    (you have worked in defence industry too, regardless how competent technologies have been introduced, we do know the difference between twine and single engine aircraft, isn't it? dont we know the basic difference between even single engine SAB Grippen and twine engine Mig35/Mig29VOT?)

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    we never expected US to have its numbers like F16s, as it was never worth. US's manufactures always claimed that this twine engine aircraft F22 are very expansive, priced over $250 a bird, while even the latest single engine F35/JSF has price tag for well over $220 for its any NATO ally......

    this 5th gen aircraft, and its publicity, all are fake, until they come on a proper operation, preferably on war scenario. while on paper, the only 5th gen aircraft in producton line, the F35/JSF, is compared with 4++ birds in the language as below :facepalm:
    (this is the same SU30mki/SU-35, discussed in this thread)
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    => there was always enough reasons for Australia to buy more '4++' Super Hornets, until production line of F35/JSF is matured :wave:

     
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    sir we both have the same category, i myself try not to discuss technical specifications in details, we lack any expertise here, true...

    little bit AESA radar, bit more about the size-speed-ferry range, .... not much i discuss, other than some logical arguments....

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    @sgarg

    the very first criterion to fall among the '4++' aircraft, is to have AESA radar, commonly accepted...... has any of the Chinese aircraft, including J10, got this radar yet????? while the size of AESA radar, how powerful the Chinese one going to be, is also another issue :ranger:
     
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