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World top two stealth aircraft by year 2012

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Asfaq khan, Jun 4, 2011.

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  1. MAFIAN GOD

    MAFIAN GOD Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    F-22 Raptor is a very potent and the only fighter with the Real CUTTING EDGE Technology.
    Till now no fighter in the world can match this.
    We'll all see PAK-FA's performance when it will be inducted.
     
  2. Varad

    Varad Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    F-22 and F-35 will be the two cutting edge stealth for a long long time.
     
  3. simplystupid

    simplystupid Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Well.. only difference between F35 and PAK FA is one is early development and other is last stages of development. If you go by your rule you should exclude F35. Period.
     
  4. simplystupid

    simplystupid Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    What i understand is after F22 and Rafale has lowest RCS among all Fighters in service.
     
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    simplystupid Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    I dont think US will deploy F22s in action any time soon. Based on what I understand - These crop of what we are 5th generation aircrafts specs will drastically change - new specs will come soon or later which will focus a) maintaining US dominance across the globe (which may have a negative slope ) and low cost of operations. If i am not wrong.. US want to reduce the number of bases aboard and want to reduce number of aircraft carriers operating across globe. US would want to achive same or better to what today US operational efficiency with reduced costs.

    Today an aircraft can be refueled in mid air and continue to operate.. but what about on board arsenal, then aircraft has to return back to base.....

    Future US aircraft will have longer ranger and longer duration capabilities, may see higher speeds to provide reach all across the globe from limited bases....

    Just thinking loud.... any opinon
     
  6. simplystupid

    simplystupid Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Cost of development and R&Dis not fair comparison. TOP scientists may earn about 200K to 300K USD per annum on a average, where as Russian scientist 150 K is a dream figure. for Indian scientist it will be around 50K USD.... Similar other cost structures are different. it is not apple to apple comparison. The day Indian govt decides spend 100K in current scenarios, Best of Indian brain will come to its defense establishment.
     
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    simplystupid Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    One of t he major complain about F22 is that F22 cannot communicate / may be operate with any of the legacy aircrafts. that is one argument put forwarded by folks who want stop the production line of F22
     
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    By looking at the way US economy is shaping and current US Strategic interests, these two aircrafts are proving to be quite expensive. We see total new aircraft spec to released. 100 years now people may say these are two prototypes that were developed US airforce. But i may be wrong
     
  9. Bad Wolf

    Bad Wolf Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Re: World top three stealth aircraft

    :crazy::tdown::no::nono:
     
  10. satya

    satya Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    howsoever much we discuss shortcomings of f-22,its simply the best and can beat anyone in world,USAF is not fool and they dont have only 1 aircraft in their inventory,
    f-22 has most advanced self-check sensors and systems,a technician can know whats wrong with aircraft in a click of a button on his portable computer
    no machine is perfect and cannot be because new threats rise everyday
    f-22s are not compatiable with legacy fighters for good they dont want to give away electromagnetic signatures and the techniques used for supressing EM signatures may not allow them to operate on compatiable datalinks
    its not just another plane its a evolution,a benchmark for others what americans did in 90s we cant do even now
     
  11. Skull and Bones

    Skull and Bones Doctor Death Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Rafale can't be that high, any link to back up your statement.
     
  12. Skull and Bones

    Skull and Bones Doctor Death Staff Member MODERATOR

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    To make an VLO aircraft, the most important part is shaping, composites comes second. An aircraft needs to have maximum parallel surface to reflect the wave away from the originating source. Composites only absorbs the part of the radar waves, which in turns energizes the molecules of the composites and increases the surface temperature of the aircraft. RAMs works the same way.

    This picture will give you the idea about maximum parallel surface.

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    Since Rafale doesn't follow the shaping rule (and is rounded nose cone and body frame, which is bad for stealth), Rafale's RCS is much greater than its claimed.

    Here's my pick

    F-22 > F-35 > EFT > Rafale > Gripen > Mig-29K/Mig-35
     
  13. Death.By.Chocolate

    Death.By.Chocolate 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Don't be surprised, the M88 engines needs a core(hot section) replacement every 700 hours, the old F-414-400 needs a hot section replacement every 2000 hours while the EDE needs one after 6000 hours and the EJ200 power plant for the EuroFighter needs one after 1200 hours (expected to improve with tranche 3).

    M88-E4(TCO) pack is also expected to improve on current lows of 700 hours but I can't find any reliable figures on the internet and don't expect this to be much greater than a 1000 hours.

    French pilots get an average of 180 Rafale hours a year, this is the NATO minimum requirement to qualify for joint operations.

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  14. illuminatidinesh

    illuminatidinesh 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    What was the amount spend on JF17 R&D?
     
  15. Asfaq khan

    Asfaq khan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    0.5 billion dollar
     
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